Muscimol, found in the candy, is from hallucinogenic Amanita muscaria mushrooms.
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Yep, and don't expect this congress and absolutely not this Supreme Court to even think about trying to regulate it.
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So, no mention of safety.
What they mainly seem to be bragging about is:
a deep understanding of the industry,
unparalleled knowledge of the market,
product lines that deliver on time,
track record of success,
knows the in and outs of the industry.
In other words, "You can trust us to make money selling this"
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You (and I) would be thinking, "Wow it's going to be so enlightened in the future!"
However........
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I suspect this recall was less than voluntary. There's now been several lab reports showing problems that have made the news. I'm guessing they realized that the FDA was getting close to having the paperwork ready for ordering a recall and tried essentially a "you can't fire me, I quit" maneuver as spin and damage control. If their hand hadn't been about to be forced, I bet they'd still be selling them. They haven't shown any concern for their customers up to this point, why would they start now?
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Heterocephalus glaber
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Muscimol, ibotenic acid, 4-AcO-DMT, and kava. If it has all these things in it, it looks like it was made to injure and kill people. For having all that in it, it's obvious that it's way beyond processing contamination. Not to mention that if you took all of those together, you're going to have a psychedelic experience, which may be the worst and most powerful trip of all trips. It's wretched it is to have a trip you didn't plan. Some people are not aware of the trendy buzzwords and truly think it's a dietary benefit to take them.
Muscimol is terrible, if you survive it. In fact, they feed amanita mushrooms to reindeer and after it's processed, they drink the urine. This action is supposed to make it safer, and of course, more disgusting. It messes up your dreams, causes drooling, and people say it's more like being drunk than tripping.
According to some brief research I did, the product in question is made by a company called Prophet Premium Blends in Newport Beach and Santa Ana, CA. I'm not sure where their labs, vendors, or manufacturing facilities are, but in California, these chemicals are not just dangerous, they're mostly illegal. Some are not federally banned, but are banned by state, county, and/or municipality.
Muscimol is terrible, if you survive it. In fact, they feed amanita mushrooms to reindeer and after it's processed, they drink the urine. This action is supposed to make it safer, and of course, more disgusting. It messes up your dreams, causes drooling, and people say it's more like being drunk than tripping.
According to some brief research I did, the product in question is made by a company called Prophet Premium Blends in Newport Beach and Santa Ana, CA. I'm not sure where their labs, vendors, or manufacturing facilities are, but in California, these chemicals are not just dangerous, they're mostly illegal. Some are not federally banned, but are banned by state, county, and/or municipality.
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Four die after drinking from bottles found in sea
They literally did not know what was in it or where it came from. People.
They literally did not know what was in it or where it came from. People.
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I understand if an editor says, let's not do that, but good lord do I hate the term "microdosing." It needs to be called out. It's a marketing term. Invented by an industry that smells a new revenue stream.
Near as I can tell microdosing is what we used to call on tour, "I'm taking it easy tonight."
Yer still dosed, and these are damn powerful drugs. Cannabis is as much psychedelic substance as I want to see introduced into gen pop. I can easily imagine this therapy working with intensive oversight. But that is not what any of this is about. This is about near-rec levels of availability, and then liability wavers for therapists wielding their copy of The Secret at you for 4 hours with some St. Joseph's baby psylocibin dose in your veins.
That's not gonna be therapeutic.
Near as I can tell microdosing is what we used to call on tour, "I'm taking it easy tonight."
Yer still dosed, and these are damn powerful drugs. Cannabis is as much psychedelic substance as I want to see introduced into gen pop. I can easily imagine this therapy working with intensive oversight. But that is not what any of this is about. This is about near-rec levels of availability, and then liability wavers for therapists wielding their copy of The Secret at you for 4 hours with some St. Joseph's baby psylocibin dose in your veins.
That's not gonna be therapeutic.
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Reminds me of one of my favorite (very real!) lines from the beginning of a super serious healthcare policy meeting in DC: "I'm so glad we're bringing substance abuse back to this panel".
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A friend of mine did a stint in the Peace Corps in Panama, and then went back to live in the region. One time when he was back stateside, he brought some indigenous cacao patties. They take the cacao beans and grind them into a brownish powder, and then mix it with sugar and press it into these circles the size of small cookies.
My friend wisely advised to eat them one small bite at a time. One or two small bites is all that you need, and one of those patties probably had as much cacao as...dozens of chocolate bars, I think, maybe more?
Raw cacao powder is bitter and needs the sugar. It is also caffeinated (and other theo- xanthines) as hell. Once you've had the real thing, you understand that cacao is a drug, and what we call "chocolate" is like CBD gummies, it's extracted from a "naughty" plant, but you're mostly getting the flavor and the vibes.
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Thanks, lab and pharmacy stuff is just adjacent-enough to find my way around, but every time I'm reminded that there are entire universes of regs that I haven't had to touch yet.
But yeah, assuming that the acetyl psilocyn analogue was flagged by a lab that someone expected to introduce into evidence in court, and unless Daubert has been Chevroned* as well, that still seems like the most legitimate findings.
Unless it was the DEA. That's the one thing that does worry me, I'm the last person to suggest any government conspiracy, but the DEA is a different beast, it's what the CIA would have become if GHWB hadn't cleaned out Nixon's corruption there under Ford. The DEA could absolutely just claim the candies contained whatever C-I drug is most convenient.
*Yeah, I'm just slightly bitter about this recent decision
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No one, no matter how inexperienced, could ever mix up amanita muscaria, with a large flat red cap with white dots, witn psylocibin mushrooms, that are much smaller, brown and conical
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The Sheep Look Up
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It reads to me as the most copy-ass copy ever written. I've known professional copy writers, that's a lingo bingo checklist if I've ever seen one.
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The Fly Agaric and the Psilocybin look nothing alike! First image Psilocybin.
Second image Fly Agaric
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Unfortunately, the upper picture of Psilocybe bears a superficial resemblance to some of the deadlier Amanita species, the Death Cap and Destroying Angel types.
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Right?!?
The day I walk into a 7/11 and buy a pack of Marlboro Mentholated Joints is probably the day I'll finally quit and take up my life-long dream of heroin addicted ballroom dancing.
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Because I am 6-years old and I love chocolate and I love gummy bears. It is chocolate and wrapped in a childish package. No adult would make something like that if it was dangerous for me, right? Right?
Wow, mom sure has been asleep for a long time.
edit: I enjoy mushrooms. I enjoy candy. Stop being an idiot and putting mushrooms IN candy.
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In the EU supplements are regulated as food, so must present a list of ingredients.
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I still remember "stealing" some raw cacao powder from my grandma when she was baking, and mixing it up with some butter on a spoon. Yum!
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Strong recommend against.
If you want to know, really know, what it's like to live with a mental illness, go take some Lithium. The anti-schiz drugs all do the same sort of thing: they make it so you're going through life wearing a rubber suit ten feet thick. Can't feel anything, except as pressure. They dampen everything hard so that reality is tolerable and tolerably real.
I had a schizophrenic roommate for a while (we all met in rehab, and as my wife and I got our shit together, we couldn't watch them be homeless) and it was enlightening. He knew the voices in his head weren't real, but he still talked to them frequently. One of my most vivid memories of him was him doing the dishes and arguing with the voices: "Hey, go away, we're just doing the dishes." And he spent twenty minutes telling the voices in his head "no, you need to hold up, we've got dishes to do." Singing to himself, dancing a little bit.
But the dishes got done.
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ResemblesPrison
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You can thank Oren Hatch and the Mormon church backed supplement grift.
If you call it a supplement you can get away with selling things that don’t even contain a trace of the “supplement”. It’s just another example of regulatory capture in the US
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I have bipolar II and recently had a bought of missing enough medication for it to come through.
Lithium carbonate is an indicator for bipolar because if you don't have it, then it does nothing, but if you do then it can stabilize your mood. These days, though, it's generally considered obsolete due to extremely dangerous side effects, but its low cost keeps it in use. (A 60-pill, 300mg supply at Walmart is $4 retail, but taking 1200mg a day wasn't uncommon when I took it as a middle schooler.)
It is literally lithium ore and mined out of the ground. Places that naturally have high lithium in their groundwater also have lower rates of crime, suicide and other sociological indicators of poor mental health.
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The good thing is that if you run out of pills, you can just lick your EV battery.
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Why is this company - or at least its product lines at issue - not immediately shut down by the FDA? If it were selling products with pathogens that caused consumers to be intubated, people would be screaming bloody murder. But somehow it's ok to keep selling its goods because they're "natural substances"? Absurd.
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i mean... you need to be very much legally blind to mistake one for another. below are comparison pictures (and it took me quite a while to find ones that do resemble each other a bit). let me repeat this again - they were adding other "medicinal" (as in not psychoactive but with dubious health benefit claims) mushrooms. most likely poor quality control of their sourcing for material that gets easily contaminated during production and storage ("boss this red mushroom fell into the container what should i do? eh, we are not wasting whole container of lion's mane, it's fine, ship it.") resulted in some amounts of unwanted chemicals in their confectionery. they tried to cover their asses by doing some amount of testing but the quality of them is questionable. i pointed this in previous article and Beth mentioned it now too. sadly the most likely shruumz will go under without any serious consequences and prophet belnds will just rebrand it to another product. supplements regulation is a joke, not only in usa but in other countries as well.
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those products were not supposed to contain muscimol or any other psychoactive alcaloid found in mushrooms for that matter. those products were even tested for that. there is no "potency issues". so you know where you can stick your argument in.
i would question intelligence of anyone buying this kind of products, no problem, but this is not the issue here.
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the issue is the lack of regulation of supplements. there is no real information how often products were tested, how they were sampled etc. for what we know they might have been tested once, or multiple times until the results were satisfactory... so all that was done seem to be mostly voluntary tests by the brand company.
on the other hand i spotted typos (fortunately inconsequential ones) in the reports and i'm not a trained chemist so the quality of the data might not be great too.
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They're not inspected by the FDA, so of course they can't really be held to GLP and GMPs by the FDA. If not FDA, is there any regulation at the state or local level?
The main thing motivating the third party lab is continued employment by Diamond Shruumz/Prophet, at least until somebody gets hurt. We certainly can't assume anything about the third party lab's analytical method validation, like the limit of quantitation of the test method. LoD/LoQ are often arbitrary, but should be set well below an actual limit that we either know could cause harm, or simply at a level that alerts the manufacturer that something's out of trend with the manufacturing process that should be investigated (way before harm). Also, that lab doesn't appear to be performing any microbiological testing, based on the CoA. Is there another lab contracted for that, and would they know what to test for? There's no guarantee of anything without regulatory inspection of the methods. Edit: The ACS lab does have reassuring certifications, but are they testing the right things at the right frequency and specification for this manufacturer's products?
There's no guarantee the product is a homogeneous mixture without regulatory inspection of the manufacturing facilities and methods., This means there could easily be variation in contaminant levels both within and between lots of product. There could be variations between product produced on first or third shift. How often do deviations happen? What percentage of lots are tested? Are samples of any lots held back for stability testing? What's in the chocolate after a year on the shelf, or in a warehouse that isn't air-conditioned?
The TLDR; We don't seem to know how this stuff is made, tested, shipped or stored. Making safe, unadulterated food and drugs is difficult to get right even with regulatory inspections. The big players still sometimes screw it up, but with actual regulation the chances of, well, not hurting people, go way up.
The main thing motivating the third party lab is continued employment by Diamond Shruumz/Prophet, at least until somebody gets hurt. We certainly can't assume anything about the third party lab's analytical method validation, like the limit of quantitation of the test method. LoD/LoQ are often arbitrary, but should be set well below an actual limit that we either know could cause harm, or simply at a level that alerts the manufacturer that something's out of trend with the manufacturing process that should be investigated (way before harm). Also, that lab doesn't appear to be performing any microbiological testing, based on the CoA. Is there another lab contracted for that, and would they know what to test for? There's no guarantee of anything without regulatory inspection of the methods. Edit: The ACS lab does have reassuring certifications, but are they testing the right things at the right frequency and specification for this manufacturer's products?
There's no guarantee the product is a homogeneous mixture without regulatory inspection of the manufacturing facilities and methods., This means there could easily be variation in contaminant levels both within and between lots of product. There could be variations between product produced on first or third shift. How often do deviations happen? What percentage of lots are tested? Are samples of any lots held back for stability testing? What's in the chocolate after a year on the shelf, or in a warehouse that isn't air-conditioned?
The TLDR; We don't seem to know how this stuff is made, tested, shipped or stored. Making safe, unadulterated food and drugs is difficult to get right even with regulatory inspections. The big players still sometimes screw it up, but with actual regulation the chances of, well, not hurting people, go way up.
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Here's my idea for a new regulation:
If you add it to food, it's a food, and should be regulated as such.
If you add it to food, it's a food, and should be regulated as such.
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And ruin some company's plans for introducing "artisanal arsenic virile enhancement chocolate supplement bar"? No thanks! /s
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Cobra venon and Poison ivy are complex molecules with complex effects.
When someone gives me the "it's natural" story, I usually go with Arsenic, Mercury or Plutonium.
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