Muscimol, found in the candy, is from hallucinogenic Amanita muscaria mushrooms.
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Microdosing candies linked to seizures, intubation finally recalled
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The claim that victims were eating the entire package comes from the manufacturer. Fuck them, and fuck you, for trying to blame the victims.
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Blows my mind that a company poisons its customers and it's up to them to decide whether and when to issue a recall
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That's fine for everyday life, but here we have a company that refused to issue a recall for at least 20 days after sending people to the hospital and apparently has refused to help government regulators track down the harmful ingredients. When they finally made a statement, they downplayed it by claiming to have received only two complaints for an problem that has sent 39 people to the hospital. They come out with a COA which -- apparently -- makes this all a little whoopsiedoodle. They're in damage control mode. It's not to be believed at face value. Incompetence in selling "supplements" that cause harm is a form of malice. They could have chosen not to go into this business if they weren't willing to take it seriously.
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purposelycryptic
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I would expect them to just order bulk powdered shrooms from China and mix them with melted chocolate.
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In your case, every accusation is a confession...
It's entirely reasonable for someone to eat an entire chocolate bar in one sitting. You don't want them to, then you should package it differently.
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Company founder: I know, lets put poison mushrooms in candy bars and sell them with woo labels. What could possibly happen?
JFC.
There is a whole world of mostly nontoxic psychedelics to choose from, why on earth would you put amanitas in a candy bar?
JFC.
There is a whole world of mostly nontoxic psychedelics to choose from, why on earth would you put amanitas in a candy bar?
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A bit sad most of the comments here concentrate on the company saying "there might have been some tiny bit of muscimol there", while the very article mentions a bit later that FDA lab actually found 4-Aco-DMT in there, a synthetic tryptamine and possibly a schedule 1 substance.
Which the company doesn't address at all, obviously. Damage control?
Which the company doesn't address at all, obviously. Damage control?
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Well I mean that infamy got to both you and I, as I noticeably reacted when I saw "muscimol" after following this story since it broke. So it seems ostensible at least one person involved in a product with "shruumz" in its name likely knew enough about psychedelics to know better. Seems more like the obvious fact that psilocybin and other such tryptamines are not legal but last I checked fly agaric is in a grey area. So wouldn't it seem more likely they were just focused on dollar signs and chose it for that fact.
Still seems like it blew up in their faces but they've probably made a fortune. They've been doing this for a while, I remember seeing their products for the first time in late 2021 or early 2022, rolling my eyes when I noticed it in a vape/head shop. I'm sure they profited enough to find ways to keep a lot of their ill gotten gains in the event of an investigation/recall.
Hopefully not as their avarice is doing a tremendous disservice to the progress we've made in the last decade. I've more than dabbled with some very potent tools in my time, including "heroic" doses. I've had my share of "bad trips", but I embrace them when they happen because it's still ultimately beneficial when I emerge from the seemingly infinite thought loops and flirtation with psychosis. But I've never been brave/crazy enough to mess with fly agaric after hearing/reading enough horror stories. I've seen too many patterns that indicate it's a very different kind of "bad trip", more physical or serious illness-like. Basically a lot of the same reactions as mentioned in the article.
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That's freaking terrifying. Sounds like a great way to get killed or end up killing someone else.
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DaVuVuZeLa
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I'm sad too because we missed out on an opportunity for a Total Recall.
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Has anyone checked to see if the molecules of active material are all right handed or a mix?
“Documents in the Case”….
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If I want chocolate I'll buy a bar from Cadburys, not 'Diamond Shruumz'.
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It wouldn't entirely surprise me, given his position as a peevish reactionary in life, if the knowledge that he'd effectively legalized this sort of 'supplement' would be hell for Hatch. Obviously the guy deserves the proper stuff, with sulfur and pitchfork devils; but when coffee is off the table on theological grounds being responsible for anything "Prophet Premium Brands" is selling has to sting a little. DSHEA didn't actually come out and say "no enabling stoner degeneracy"; but the legislative intent was clearly to make square scams easier and more profitable.
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Reads like walking into a David Lynch film. The tissue that drapes reality might be thinner than we imagine or would like.
I for one would not be too keen on looking behind those curtains.
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Used for thousands of years as a hallucinogen. Also likely what Viking berserkers used before battle.
Crappy side effects on top of your trip. Also not that much of a gap between tripping balls and seizing.
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To add, boiling breaks down muscimol.
They are perfectly edible with no effects if you parboil them. So the OP saying “they make soup out of them in Eastern Europe” is showing their general lack of knowledge of them.
Kidney beans are toxic if not cooked. Which is why people cook beans before eating them…
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blue.lantern
Smack-Fu Master, in training
Yes but it is in Australia.Saw this on the news today, Australia, but a similar scenario. Recall, no messing around.
Stuff
www.stuff.co.nz
In NZ (country the news site article is from) customers don't even have the rights to sue or get medical care funded for severe poisoning. We did not issue recalls in many similar cases.
At best customers can wait in a hospital ER for 12-15hours while having a severe seizure and their family trying to help them remain breathing & begging for support. Been there, done that way to many times in most NZ regions (there is a vast difference in quality & treatments available at ERs too and so they have to shift patients around them often, normally transport trips of over an hour). There is no legal req on NZ supplement or natural remedies products to have testing of ingredients or regulation either. So yes we did have substantial bleach sales & herbal remedy poisoning. We did have many people go into comas, have breathing stop, liver poisoning, etc and many did die before adequate ER treatment if they even had the money to afford an ambulance or to get to ER in the first place.
In NZ there is no support for follow up treatment from poisoning, like that for accidentally consuming fly amanita mushrooms or being poisoned by other substances. If they have to fight insurance they better have a spare 50k handy for the initial legal support to fight the entire insurance & legal arms inc the govt in the 1st level review & out of country medical specialist reports (because a local insurance funded specialist will highly likely attribute paralysis or damage from stroke or seizures down to natural degeneration or depression even if no evidence or symptoms of it existed before the event and all they do is a biased interview). For the follow up court cases more legal funding is likely required so substantial gains in individual cases and specialized but very limited legal teams may be needed. In this we have many publicly documented reports & past review case histories but since the medical system has severe dysfunction in NZ and systemic lack of access, along with no ability to sue for injury or poisoning we just accept a growing increase in long term disablement with lacking treatment.
Whereas in Australia there are more consequences for poisoning people & more medical treatment access. Ironically, Australia leads NZ in equitable medical care by decades. Hence NZ depends on standards and actions of Australia and America to improve their own services (the reason the Australian recall is newsworthy in NZ).
Edit: context for why NZ cares about Australian recalls
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blue.lantern
Smack-Fu Master, in training
Suspiciously sounding more AI generated or copied from other sources with every word. Throwing in something something synergy would also not be out of place.
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Synergy is OK but can't one work in pharmacological blockchain somewhere? There, I have now added that phrase to AI internet scrapings. Yes, you are welcome.
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Schizophrenia manifests in many different ways. you might gain some insight in to one aspect or another, but I bet you will not apprehend the spectrum.
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I bought dark chocolate from Aldi recently, because I wanted to see if could make homemade chocolate brazils. It came in a pack of five bars, and when I ate one I actually found it rather bitter, though I think it will go well melted around brazil nuts. I don't really eat any sweets these last few decades, so if I find something bitter it is fucking bitter. Chocolate by itself does need a bit of sugar, I think.
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Woman hospitalized after eating Diamond Shruumz mushroom chocolate bar
So, more than a single "dose" (whatever that is) but not an entire bar each. Because in America, we expect products to meet safety standards. That company is going to be sued out of existence.
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If the phrase appears with the word quantum in it, I absolve myself of the guilt. Come to think of it, the self-absorbed are usually also self-absolving.
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If it is UK Cadbury's. If it is US "Cadbury's" I would guess that most of that wax passes through you completely unabsorbed. Relatives just came back from a UK trip, so I am still on the sugar high.
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Looking at some of the products on the Diamond Shruumz website, it looks like the chocolate bars are divided into 15 squares. They recommend eating 1-2 squares and waiting 30-60 minutes to assess if you are new to using the product, though they also have the following:
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On the other hand, if you had told me as a teen in '90s small town Georgia that one day I would be sitting in the waiting room of a pot shop reading about 'shroom chocolate recalls...
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We have forgotten the wisdom of our ancestors. This sort of thing is precisely why you need to run them through a reindeer first.
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Compare to the recent recall for ice cream after a lab test found evidence of listeria but no illnesses linked to it yet (as of the news story I heard on Wednesday).
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CLIA-certified labs do not issue CoA's. The "CL" stands for 'Clinical Laboratory. You are correct - clinical labs are tightly and closely regulated (unless you're Theranos), but they specifically analyze clinical samples. Clinical samples are blood, urine, plasma, etc. samples from humans. They're not involved in or responsible for any type of product release testing.
Any company can issue a "CoA." Basically a company sets specifications for a product, and each manufactured batch is analyzed to see if it conforms to the specifications. The method used for a specific analysis can be an 'official' method by a standards organization (e.g., USP, AOAC, AOCS, etc.), or an 'in-house' method clearly described in an SOP.
The amount of oversight and auditing of labs issuing CoAs depends on the intended use of the product. Drugs manufactured for human use must be manufactured under GMP conditions, and the labs analyzing these products must function under GLP. GMP and GLP facilities are subject to surprise government inspections and audits. And with regulations come added expense.
As for 'supplements,' the overwhelming majority of manufacturers of 'supplements' are not going to incur the added expense of using a GLP-certified lab. Why would they? They're not regulated. I wouldn't be surprised to find that DiamondShruumz is using Joe's Analytical and Upholstery Cleaning Services.
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Yes. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so. Like I said previously, for the most part I think more people should do more drugs. Psychedelics, especially. They're very mind-opening.
This wasn't one of them. There's very few drugs I've done where my experience was such that I can unreservedly say "I don't recommend doing this."
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