The South OF China Sea Thread
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Probably a lot of bots for disinformation campaign about China by CIA. I was pretty disappointed when they use vaccination as cover to locate Osama Bin Laden.
A good questioning on Western assessment of People's Republic of China Naval Strategy. https://www.defensenews.com/opinion...a-views-sea-power-the-same-way-the-west-does/
Basically a caution against projection and mirroring of PRC intention through Western countries experiences.
Basically a caution against projection and mirroring of PRC intention through Western countries experiences.
I'm sure they think that, but that's rather the point of the alliances and agreements that have been set up in the region.
Like seriously, what the fuck? I... what? I'm too fucking thick to understand this level of 42D Chess
www.ft.com
Xi Jinping claimed US wants China to attack Taiwan
Chinese president told European Commission president that Washington was trying to goad Beijing into war
www.ft.com
Yes this is behind a paywall. Bypass Paywalls Clean as an extension exists, so does archive.is and so does wayback machine and so do a jazillion other solutions, so no moaning about the paywall.
Isn’t it just projecting their story? “Why does the US insist on making us attack Taiwan by their meddling?
it’s basically the same story Putin told about why he had to attack Ukraine or launch a “special military operation”, not sure what they call it today.
it’s basically the same story Putin told about why he had to attack Ukraine or launch a “special military operation”, not sure what they call it today.
Xi's Taiwan plans are all but public at this point. The man has directed the PLA to be ready to seize it in 2027, and publicly available U.S. DOD documents likewise put the Taiwan invasion window at 2027-2030 based on technology, population, and economic trends, as well as the U.S. election timetable. Everything else is just posturing.
Maybe Kamala Harris should have an exclusive interview with Global News or some other respected PRC news media. You know the challenge of being the first woman VP etc. Also to bemoan the fact that PRC embassies, naval and fishing ships are so very good at intercepting JDAM, Tomahawks and other US munitions. Lamenting why do these things insist to keep on popping up whenever those munitions are being fired during exercises, and the resulting tragic unnecessary loss of lives.
After the incident above where it appeared one of the AFP (Armed Forces Philippines) has his finger cut off, PLA is moving its Type 075 LHD to the area. Are they planning to evict the Marines at Sierra Madre, or the science team surveying other shoals abroad the Philippines Coast Guard flagship? Question of intentions abound.
More on the resupply scuffle between Philippines and China. Latest news is China Coast Guard impounded and damaged Philippines RHIB. Moreover the Coast Guard personnel was armed with machete and long knives.
China Coast Guard actions are tarnishing Coast Guard reputation everywhere. The question now is what can US does beyond stern words, and what next for Philippines. Maybe time for those LCS at Singapore to cross to Subic Bay for maintenance? At least docking there pays to an American company.
China Coast Guard actions are tarnishing Coast Guard reputation everywhere. The question now is what can US does beyond stern words, and what next for Philippines. Maybe time for those LCS at Singapore to cross to Subic Bay for maintenance? At least docking there pays to an American company.
Yeah, I want the landing docks to come in to resupply with construction crews, watch towers, 30mm bushmasters and harpoon launchers.
He lost his fucking thumb... Fuck the PLAN and PLACG if they try that shit again the AFP should flick safeties off and punch 30mm holes in their shit. The PRC only respects force, so the AFP should plan for and gain escalation dominance.
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So not about the South China Sea but China isn't liked by her neighbors.
Direct India-China flights, which were suspended during the pandemic, in 2020, have not resumed while China is pressing for their resumption.
But India is showing them the palm because of border skirmishes in 2020 in which 20 Indian soldiers and 4 Chinese soldiers were killed, leading to mobilization of thousands by both sides near the Himalayan border.
Read in Reuters: https://apple.news/A2YpozdOhSdm95BQZqKndHg
Direct India-China flights, which were suspended during the pandemic, in 2020, have not resumed while China is pressing for their resumption.
But India is showing them the palm because of border skirmishes in 2020 in which 20 Indian soldiers and 4 Chinese soldiers were killed, leading to mobilization of thousands by both sides near the Himalayan border.
Read in Reuters: https://apple.news/A2YpozdOhSdm95BQZqKndHg
China is definitely the greater of the two evils, but this is definitely a let_them_fight.jpg kind of situation. Modi only wishes he had the kind of control over India that Xi has over China...
Turns out, the Philippines were secretly trying to reinforce the ship, which China has claimed and the Philippines had previously denied. Likely that the US was aware: https://on.ft.com/3VRMG47 (gift link)
For me the link is still being blocked by subscription, so I go to the archive link.
Anyway the article said Philippines claim it's a shipwreck and what they are doing is repairing it so it can continue be used as an outpost.
The next paragraph the article said Philippines secretly reinforce the ship construction to extend its lifetime.
So what is the difference of repairing so it can continue be used as a base, and reinforce the construction to extend its lifetime? To my mind there isn't any difference. One follow the other as a consequence.
If the article says reinforcement as in adding personnel, it is still a non issue. Since doing repair means adding construction materials and crews. Not to mention there is a need of regular rotation of troops who man the outpost. If reinforcement refer to additional troops to man the outpost, last month there was an emergency medical extraction done for a sick marine. Extraction that was harassed and hampered by the China Coast Guard and its official state employed thugs (Naval Militia). Sending replacement marine means reinforcement?
Sorry, but I find the article is just manufacturing controversy. And if Financial Times readers are lapping it up, there are a few avenues to improve their reasoning.
Anyway the article said Philippines claim it's a shipwreck and what they are doing is repairing it so it can continue be used as an outpost.
The next paragraph the article said Philippines secretly reinforce the ship construction to extend its lifetime.
So what is the difference of repairing so it can continue be used as a base, and reinforce the construction to extend its lifetime? To my mind there isn't any difference. One follow the other as a consequence.
If the article says reinforcement as in adding personnel, it is still a non issue. Since doing repair means adding construction materials and crews. Not to mention there is a need of regular rotation of troops who man the outpost. If reinforcement refer to additional troops to man the outpost, last month there was an emergency medical extraction done for a sick marine. Extraction that was harassed and hampered by the China Coast Guard and its official state employed thugs (Naval Militia). Sending replacement marine means reinforcement?
Sorry, but I find the article is just manufacturing controversy. And if Financial Times readers are lapping it up, there are a few avenues to improve their reasoning.
Meanwhile Vietnam is busy expanding their sand shoals so now they are the second largest land owner at South from China Sea. As for why PRC is saying and doing nothing in public for that is an unknown. Some speculative explaining such as this article.
It’s one thing to supply the people currently stationed there or evacuate them. It’s another thing to reinforce the ship to extend its lifetime in an effort to assert territorial claims. The ship is going to fall apart absent maintenance, at which time the Philippines likely lose claims over the area. China has been waiting them out for 25 years.
This issue seems way underreported. The Philippines said they will invoke the mutual defense treaty with the US over this sunken ship, which would push to the US declaring war on China. At a time when the US is delaying supplies to European allies to support Ukraine, it seems highly unlikely that the US could engage in direct conflict in Asia. Then there’s Israel and the escalating situation in Lebanon.
Lots of shaky pieces and once one falls, others may look to exploit any opportunity. Which may also be what Vietnam is doing now.
ok uhh so what? It's their waters, their shoal, their reef and their ship. So again what right does China have to pull this shit? Absolutely fucking zero.
The area has been recognized as the Philippines for a good while under normal conventions of the law of the sea. This was affirmed by the UN in 2016. Philippines won't lose their claim as a result of a loss of it. It will just make it that much more difficult to keep unauthorized individuals from moving in to the area and claiming ownership in violation of accepted international laws.
The hypocrisy of Soriak claiming that the Philippines will lose their claim if their rusty ship deteriorates while China builds fake islands is pretty stark.
I’m not arguing the morality of the action at all. It’s just a reality that China has a very large navy and is increasingly asserting its power. My concern is that the US is going to get sucked into it by a defense treaty that should not be invokable over a deliberately sunk ship that, absent construction work, would be disintegrating. If we’re going to have a third world war and direct conflict between nuclear powers, maybe we could not make it about something even less consequential than the assassination of an archduke.
Eh, war has been waged because of an ear or other silly reasons.
If going to a war due to obligation to a mutual defense treaty, enforcement of a planetwide law and its interpretation is not dignified enough, perhaps other countries in other parts of the world should raise a protest to the PRC. Countries like Central African Republic, South Africa, Switzerland etc. Because UNCLOS 1982 is binding even for a landlocked countries, and countries of the world benefits from certainty of rules given by multilateral UN agreements.
If going to a war due to obligation to a mutual defense treaty, enforcement of a planetwide law and its interpretation is not dignified enough, perhaps other countries in other parts of the world should raise a protest to the PRC. Countries like Central African Republic, South Africa, Switzerland etc. Because UNCLOS 1982 is binding even for a landlocked countries, and countries of the world benefits from certainty of rules given by multilateral UN agreements.
Is there ever significant financial value or military value for the South China Sea? I remember the talk of natural gas/oil awhile ago, but I do not remember hearing any development.
The GDP percentage for Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan that depends on sea transportation through Malaka Strait, Lombok Strait, or Timor Gap.
Edit: Add Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam to the list, although they do have the option of hugging the coastline.
You can also check a heat map of the shipping lanes and what type of cargo ship which goes through the south china sea below:
One thing the CCP keeps quiet about is how they let the Russians take land up north, but they fight tooth and nail for the South China Sea, it really just shows If it weren't significant then the CCP wouldn't want it - it is that simple.
Shipmap.org
An incredible visualisation of global shipping traffic, created by Kiln.digital and the UCL Energy Institute.
www.shipmap.org
One thing the CCP keeps quiet about is how they let the Russians take land up north, but they fight tooth and nail for the South China Sea, it really just shows If it weren't significant then the CCP wouldn't want it - it is that simple.
Add to that the newest PRC law empowering their Coast Guard to seize and detain ships or person that has break "their law", what would happen if a country is on the PRC shit list?
So far PRC still follows old "rule/tradition". USA is still the main guarantee of sea routes. Whoever want to take control of the sea/ocean (ever a small part), would have to invest a lot of resource. Tt would be stupid to do so. PRC is actually benefited a lot with the current system. It is hard for me to think anyone is that crazy.
Old males* in positions of power that have filled the lower ranks with cronies tend to go that crazy, especially in non-democracies.
* It's almost never the queens/female prime ministers etc.
Queen Matilda, Mary Tudor, and Elizabeth Tudor beg to differ. That's only on the English monarchy.
Many royalty are the product of inbreeding amongst aristocrats, so that is to be expected. About the only way European monarchies could be worse in this aspect is if they ate the brains of their deceased predecessors, for a little extra prion disease...
It says a lot about a group when one of the long standing universal taboos—in this case incest—is broken in order to further the line. A key warning sign that things won't be going well long term. People recognized this long before the science to explain it was available.