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SnoopCatt

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In a surprising show of bipartisanship, Dutton has joined with Albo in calling for calm following the stabbing of the bishop in Sydney and the ugly scenes outside the church afterwards.
I wonder how long he will be able to resist the urge to blame it on <insert Labor policy here>?


As for the hotheads who attacked police and paramedics outside the church, they can fuck right off.
 
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The judge had a finely-tuned sense of wit with his statement at the end "Having escaped the lion's Den, Mr. Lehrmann made the mistake of coming back for his hat".
Annabel Crabb's analysis piece for the ABC is <chef's kiss>

 

SnoopCatt

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Senator Ralph Babet on the other hand has posted a clip on X of the bishop being stabbed, along with the following comment:
"To the Australian government and the eSafety commissioner go fuck yourselves"

I wonder whether X will enforce their policies about violent and hateful entities, and/or promoting perpetrators of violent attacks and take action?

Oh, who am I kidding, Musk wouldn't suspend one of his biggest fanboys in Australia.
 

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Yeah, no. Unfortunately I suspect the .gov will lose this one. They have no way of enforcing any kind of penalty, and we have no great firewall of Australia to selectively block content on an externally hosted platform.

Best possible outcome is that more people will quit X, further driving it toward irrelevance.
 
Senator Ralph Babet on the other hand has posted a clip on X of the bishop being stabbed, along with the following comment:
"To the Australian government and the eSafety commissioner go fuck yourselves"
It will never cease to astound me how certain people in politics seem dead set on being just as toxic as they possibly can.
 
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Only took a decade (7 years later than expected) and only $20 Billion in cost overruns to get two new nuclear reactors in the US online: Vogtle Nuclear Units 3 and 4 online

Totally doable for Australia to start up a completely new nuclear industry, build a bunch of brand new never-before-built design power plants in time to cover the loss of the current ageing coal power plants, and do that all within budget.

Can't wait to see what sites the Coalition designates for the locations.
 

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Only took a decade (7 years later than expected) and only $20 Billion in cost overruns to get two new nuclear reactors in the US online: Vogtle Nuclear Units 3 and 4 online

Totally doable for Australia to start up a completely new nuclear industry, build a bunch of brand new never-before-built design power plants in time to cover the loss of the current ageing coal power plants, and do that all within budget.

Can't wait to see what sites the Coalition designates for the locations.
I vote for Circular Quay
 
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Only took a decade (7 years later than expected) and only $20 Billion in cost overruns to get two new nuclear reactors in the US online: Vogtle Nuclear Units 3 and 4 online

Totally doable for Australia to start up a completely new nuclear industry, build a bunch of brand new never-before-built design power plants in time to cover the loss of the current ageing coal power plants, and do that all within budget.

Can't wait to see what sites the Coalition designates for the locations.
I've said it before, it doesn't really matter, they know they'll never be built, it's just a delaying tactic to delay the inevitable demise of the fossil fuel industry. They don't care how much tax-payer's dosh they'll waste on it, they are only there to serve the likes of Gina Reinhart.
 

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I've said it before, it doesn't really matter, they know they'll never be built, it's just a delaying tactic to delay the inevitable demise of the fossil fuel industry. They don't care how much tax-payer's dosh they'll waste on it, they are only there to serve the likes of Gina Reinhart.
The interesting part will come if they nominate sites for the nuclear reactors.
 

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Hi all. I have this issue of being an Australian who is presently far more interested in US politics than local politics, because it's extremely easy to find reportage of US political issues turned up to 11 on the nonsense scale as soon as you drill down to a state level, by which our local state and electorate-level politics seems incredibly mundane by comparison. And then one runs full-tilt into the incredibly deep-rooted conservatism of local media conglomerates/organisations, only partially offset by the ABC desperately acting as the Blue-Haired Leftist to try and compensate.

Where does one go to find insightful and well-balanced commentary on Aussie politics these days?
I've already done my deal with the devil (paying google 17 bucks a month for youtube premium to fuck off the ads) so any recommendations for reliable citing-their-sources Australian politics channels would be most welcome. Cheers.
 
Was it Joe Hockey who famously said that he hated the sight of wind turbines? Maybe he prefers the sight of cooling towers instead...

I know Abbott had a few sprays about how ugly wind turbines are when he was still front and centre in politics. There's a good chance Hockey did as well. Of course they've never looked at just how ugly an open-cut coal mine is, because that's out of sight, out of mind.
 
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On a similar note; I really struggled to find info about my local council elections (about a month or so ago).

I like to do my civic duty and research the councilors and mayoral candidate; but the only (presumably) decent source for candidate profiles I could find was the paywalled local newspaper (which is just a branch of the Courier Mail). If you're not subscribed, then Facebook candidate pages seem like the best source; and that's kinda terrifying.

As a counter-argument, maybe I should be getting off my ass and attend various community meetings to stay informed; but there is a limit to how dutiful I feel :p
 

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Klockwerk

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I'm not sure that there's anything on Youtube itself that would be middle of the road - there's not going to be much money in presenting balanced reporting on Australian politics.

I do watch Insiders on the ABC - they seem pretty happy to have a go at both sides. They will grill any of the politicians that present themselves for interview no matter the party.
If you were a bit keener there are the Australian National Press Club speeches/questioning at https://www.npc.org.au/
Both are free.
 

SnoopCatt

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Where does one go to find insightful and well-balanced commentary on Aussie politics these days?
The Conversation has a Politics+Society section although it trends a bit more analysis than commentary. It's typically a day or so behind the new cycle, which has the advantage of allowing the writers a bit of time to think things through.
Michelle Grattan is a hugely experienced political writer and has a weekly column that's generally excellent.
 

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I do watch Insiders on the ABC - they seem pretty happy to have a go at both sides. They will grill any of the politicians that present themselves for interview no matter the party.
Shit, I haven't watched Insiders in ages. Both my wife and I used to watch it quite keenly, probably until our daughter took over the TV on Sunday mornings. However, it got to the point where the politician interviews, especially with LNP politicians, became annoyingly skippable because the interviewees have turned Talk A Lot While Not Answering A Question into an art form. I also tended to skip episodes with Gerard Henderson on the panel, because all you could rely on him to do was say things so profoundly moronic I couldn't roll my eyes any further.
 

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Shit, I haven't watched Insiders in ages. Both my wife and I used to watch it quite keenly, probably until our daughter took over the TV on Sunday mornings. However, it got to the point where the politician interviews, especially with LNP politicians, became annoyingly skippable because the interviewees have turned Talk A Lot While Not Answering A Question into an art form. I also tended to skip episodes with Gerard Henderson on the panel, because all you could rely on him to do was say things so profoundly moronic I couldn't roll my eyes any further.
Politicians going to do that. I find it interesting on what questions they do that to.
Sometimes they do put their foot into it - Dutton was on about three weeks ago and said that Wind Farms didn't have social license to be in certain areas, which is going to be really interesting if/when Dutton/Coalition announce their Nuclear Power Station policy and where they should be put.
Gerard got permanently booted sometime ago.
 

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Those were the days, when they had a decent host who would call out bullshit spin from the guests. I miss David Marr who used to torment Gerard Henderson.
That's the thing, I got tired of the Marr-Henderson duels. Marr talked a lot of sense while Henderson just didn't see any. Also, what annoyed me was the imbalance. Marr was about the most far left person regularly joining the Insiders panel - but he's a fairly moderate left-winger, there's a lot of room to his left until you get to the extremes. Meanwhile, Henderson being of the IPA ilk was about as far right as it got without being an outright extremist. That Insiders (and the ABC as a whole) kept platforming people who would get rid of the ABC if they had a chance, became increasingly frustrating for me.
 
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That's the thing, I got tired of the Marr-Henderson duels. Marr talked a lot of sense while Henderson just didn't see any. Also, what annoyed me was the imbalance. Marr was about the most far left person regularly joining the Insiders panel - but he's a fairly moderate left-winger, there's a lot of room to his left until you get to the extremes. Meanwhile, Henderson being of the IPA ilk was about as far right as it got without being an outright extremist. That Insiders (and the ABC as a whole) kept platforming people who would get rid of the ABC if they had a chance, became increasingly frustrating for me.
We have an equivalent problem in the UK with the BBC’s “Question Time” program, which has a live audience asking questions of a panel of politicians and commentators. Right wing creeps and nut jobs are given preference both as panelists and audience.
 

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Politicians going to do that. I find it interesting on what questions they do that to.
Sometimes they do put their foot into it - Dutton was on about three weeks ago and said that Wind Farms didn't have social license to be in certain areas, which is going to be really interesting if/when Dutton/Coalition announce their Nuclear Power Station policy and where they should be put.
Gerard got permanently booted sometime ago.
Yeah, but Speers is a complete Murdoch shill and the pathetic differentiation between how he handles the LNP and anyone else is ridiculous.
 

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How about Media Watch these days?
I occasionally watch an episode when they randomly pop up in my feed, it's good that it's still around, but I dunno man...
Somehow it feels a little less like pull-no-punches "holding the media to account" journalism these days, and a bit more like partisan tub-thumping. But maybe that's just me getting older and/or the fact that everything feels more like partisan tub-thumping over the past few years.
 

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Gotta say, I'm laughing at even the coal and gas companies pushing back on Dutton's idiotic "We'll scrap the 2030 emissions target if we're elected" thought bubble.


At the same time it's depressing as hell because the LNP are STILL trying to reignite the climate wars even after the massive drubbing they got at the last election.
 

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If the Australian Energy Council, the Business Council of Australia and the Australian Industry Group are all disagreeing with something on the record, then it's a good bet that there's something wrong with the policy. I think that Dutton is fine with 43%, but he can't get a unity in the Coalition party room, thus the "our policy is better than Labors but we won't tell you about it until after the election" messaging. Barnaby/half the Nationals are fine with no target at all.

There has to be a whole bunch of nervous liberal MPs in city electorates, and I imagine that there's even some National MPs that are hoping this will blow over (it won't). I mean, even Dutton's Nuclear Policy would probably be better received than this.

Gotta say, I'm laughing at even the coal and gas companies pushing back on Dutton's idiotic "We'll scrap the 2030 emissions target if we're elected" thought bubble.


At the same time it's depressing as hell because the LNP are STILL trying to reignite the climate wars even after the massive drubbing they got at the last election.

I'm fine with it - Australia got a decade of inaction due to successive ineffectual Coalition governments, it's past due the time where they paid for it. Let the Greens become the actual opposition party (lol) and the Coalition fade into irrelevance.
 

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Gotta say, I'm laughing at even the coal and gas companies pushing back on Dutton's idiotic "We'll scrap the 2030 emissions target if we're elected" thought bubble.


At the same time it's depressing as hell because the LNP are STILL trying to reignite the climate wars even after the massive drubbing they got at the last election.
I have to assume Dutton is a Labor plant at this point. By trying to keep the fires of the climate wars burning as the rest of the country and the energy economy moves on without him, and with the other boot trying to ram nuclear back into the discussion, he's basically doing his darndest to ensure that the coalition loses the next election on the same talking points they lost the last one on.