A Perpetual Picture Of Your Car Thread

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My old Nissan Note was similar, though you couldn't actually remove the rear seats. It was very much sold at the time on "rather more interior space than a Golf inside rather less exterior space than a Golf". Even though the rear seats didn't leave the car, they rolled back and forth to swap between small-SUV cargo for short people, or small hatchback cargo for rather tall people. (or got left halfway between the two 99% of the time) My beau-père was 6'3" and had no problems sitting in the rear despite it being on the same platform as a Micra.

It eventually got to be a pain with my mother visiting us more often just how narrow it was. It was a fair old bit longer than your A-class, but even narrower and for the rear seat even fitting a child in the middle of 3 across was painful. Pity, as it gave 13 years of solid service without fault.

The funny thing is that there was certainly a market for such cars. The original A-class sold well, the original Note sold well. But neither manufacturer was happy with being the big fish in a small pond and swapped them for more generic designs with broader appeal.
 

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My old Nissan Note was similar, though you couldn't actually remove the rear seats. It was very much sold at the time on "rather more interior space than a Golf inside rather less exterior space than a Golf". Even though the rear seats didn't leave the car, they rolled back and forth to swap between small-SUV cargo for short people, or small hatchback cargo for rather tall people. (or got left halfway between the two 99% of the time) My beau-père was 6'3" and had no problems sitting in the rear despite it being on the same platform as a Micra.

It eventually got to be a pain with my mother visiting us more often just how narrow it was. It was a fair old bit longer than your A-class, but even narrower and for the rear seat even fitting a child in the middle of 3 across was painful. Pity, as it gave 13 years of solid service without fault.

The funny thing is that there was certainly a market for such cars. The original A-class sold well, the original Note sold well. But neither manufacturer was happy with being the big fish in a small pond and swapped them for more generic designs with broader appeal.
The old A-Class got some of its shortness from raising it up - it took a lot of lessons from people carriers and SUVs in some regards. Because it was raised up, things like the battery fitted beneath the floor - there was a compartment under the floor mat for it. The engine tilted under and was partly tucked in below your feet. It was a brilliant bit of design and well suited to European cities with tight town centres - giving people something smaller than the typical hatchback at the time, but way more spacious than the Smart. Particularly after its first redesign in the mid '00s it felt like a car that was a lot bigger and the height gave you a driving position more like you might have expected in a small SUV than in a car.
One thing I did find though was that it was much easier to clip the wheels on kerbs than most cars - presumably because they were right out in the corners, so a little beyond where you might expect them to be relative tot he front and rear of a larger car.
 
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A few weeks ago I was asking about mounting a front plate on our BMW without drilling. I ordered and installed one of the mounts that use the tow hook receiver and was pretty dang pleased with the results.

About that same time, the car started intermittently beeping like I was about to hit something on the front/right. I figured one of the sensors was failing and braced myself for a repair cost. Then a couple days ago I was washing the car and I figured it out. The plate was now on the very fringe of the sensor. Close enough to trigger it at times, but not close enough to make it continuously alarm. Below is the "Before" picture. The plate only sticks out from the bumper about 1/2" on that side and the sensor is the small circle above it. I'm surprised the sensor could see it.

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The plate mount is adjustable, so today I moved it down a notch (about 2"). Problem solved.
 

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Not my own car sadly - this beast was parked outside my son's school this afternoon (the driver was picking up his kids).

Saw a lot of kids telling their mothers they wanted to get something like that one day - and the mothers shaking their heads...

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1970 Dodge Charger 500. It has just been fitted with a 9.4L big block engine that gets 895hp.

Quite a lot of modification on the outside.

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The noise when the engine started up was quite something.


View: https://www.tiktok.com/@mat8iou/video/7385503247764622624


The owner has a video of it here where he explains a bit more about it and the history of the project.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50XgqqxIVJo
 

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The noise when the engine started up was quite something.



That is what cars are supposed to sound like.


...and by contrast, this is my own car:

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Two electric motors instead of a single gas-burning 572-ci Hemi. White instead of Black. Korean instead of American. Quiet instead of noisy. Digital instead of analog. I may have understated when I said "contrast."

This is what I'll be commuting with the next two years.

...replacing the WL-series Grand Cherokee. Don't worry. I can still play classic Chrysler B-Body!
 

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895hp? Holy cow. I've driven 700rwhp-ish on the street with 305 or 315mm rears and that's enough of a handful when you get on it, that Charger has to be insane. In the best way possible!
The sick thing is it doesn't sound stupidly lopey: That thing's probably still drawing a vacuum, and is probably more streetable than my Coronet rated at literally half the power!
 

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The sick thing is it doesn't sound stupidly lopey: That thing's probably still drawing a vacuum, and is probably more streetable than my Coronet rated at literally half the power!
That's the advantage of displacement! (or forced induction...)

I'm finding on many aftermarket tuned NA motors that I have personally driven, 100whp/L is pretty streetable, when you get to 120whp/L, it gets noticeably less so. (knowing Ars, just want to be clear, not making generalizations across the whole world, this is purely my opinion from my experience!).
 
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895hp? Holy cow. I've driven 700rwhp-ish on the street with 305 or 315mm rears and that's enough of a handful when you get on it, that Charger has to be insane. In the best way possible!
I imagine it is good on the straight, but could be pretty terrifying if you took it out on mountain roads (like most American cars of that era, but moreso).

At what point does the wheel friction against the road become the limiting factor in terms of actually being able to use all the engine power in most situations? The Dodge Charger 500 was surprisingly light (compared to today's cars) at a little under 1500kg. I imagine all the mods will have added a bit to it, but it will still be fairly light compared to the average SUV,
 

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At what point does the wheel friction against the road become the limiting factor in terms of actually being able to use all the engine power in most situations?
Going straight or turning? Smooth road or bumpy? Grippy surface or poor surface? Front wheel drive? Rear wheel drive? Etc. Many factors...

But rule of thumb for front wheel drive cars seems to be about 300whp before putting power down becomes an annoying problem - and it can happen at much lower power levels, especially if putting power down coming out of turns is the goal.

Rear wheel drive has much higher limits as the driven wheels are always pointed straight which makes their job easier, but these days making enough power to overwhelm your available grip usually isn't hard as long as your wallet is deep enough.

AWD, limits even higher, but same comments apply about power and money.

Some of the 700rwhp-ish cars I have driven, even when detuned to say 500whp, can still easily overwhelm the rear tires, even in a straight line.. It's just not quite as ridiculously easy to do so.

How the power is delivered also matters - a big surge in available power as opposed to a smooth one...

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With "only" 505hp by today's standards, they were getting the 305mm wide Trofeo R tires spinning on the rim.
 
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How the power is delivered also matters - a big surge in available power as opposed to a smooth one...
I had to be careful with an automatic 220hp 635CSi whilst having the foot on the floor, because the blip from first to second was fast/sudden enough to chirp the wheels and if you were doing something stupid at the time (tell me about it), it could break you loose. The ZF was a very slam type of automatic under duress. Of course the tires weren't exactly up to modern standards. 30 years ago ones and only 225/55/17. Stupid amounts of power are unnecessary if you just want to kill yourself conveniently.
 

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That's the advantage of displacement! (or forced induction...)

Yeah. Mine's bored and stroked... but so is his. The big differences are that he started with a) more cubes, and b) an engine designed for racing, not to be a truck motor. [0]

I, on the other hand, didn't put over $30,000 into just the motor. :)

I sold the Jeep today. It left me with a parting shot, one last software glitch to remember it by:

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Fortunately, a factory reset appears to have done the trick.

[0] My engine started life as a 360ci LA-block. You'd think that would generate more horsepower than the 340 did-- it's twenty more cubes, right? But the 340 breathes much better so that it can rev higher, and even if you do all the tricks to make the 360 breathe, it still can't rev as high because the crank journals are much fatter. Truck motor.
 

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[0] My engine started life as a 360ci LA-block. You'd think that would generate more horsepower than the 340 did-- it's twenty more cubes, right? But the 340 breathes much better so that it can rev higher, and even if you do all the tricks to make the 360 breathe, it still can't rev as high because the crank journals are much fatter. Truck motor.
This seems to often be the way in all sorts of things when manufacturers want to sell stuff by the numbers. Megapixels, Gigahertz etc. The headline numbers often tell only part of the story and significant bits are missed out. Given more complex data you can put together a better idea of the differences, but sometimes it is hard to statistically quantify how something just feels different in real world use.
 

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I feel like manufacturers are still trying to work out looks wise what to do with the fronts where there is no grille. They spent so many years developing designs that gave ventilation while with a style that worked across their range, but have jumped quite quickly into something new. It will be interesting to see how much these ideas evolve over time as EVs develop.
 
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That's true. The EV6 has a nicer-looking front end, but that sporty treatment would look weird on a boxy SUV. And I wanted a boxy SUV to haul around a family of six comfortably.

I'll try to snap a pic of the front later, at night, with the under-paint LEDs lit up in the pattern on the flat panel where the grill would be on an ICE SUV. At least that puts something interesting there.