New and upcoming cooling releases (heatsink, fans, AIO)
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Thanks. On my radar now. It's close 1/2 the price of the Fuma 2 in Canada. I'd like to see more reviews though.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17608/th ... lth-review
Iceberg Thermal IceSLEET G6, single 140mm fan tower. I wonder how well it'll compare on an actual CPU, especially an AMD dual chiplet one.
Iceberg Thermal IceSLEET G6, single 140mm fan tower. I wonder how well it'll compare on an actual CPU, especially an AMD dual chiplet one.
Speaking of heatsinks released this year, i got a Deep Cool AK400 a while ago as my older 1st gen gammaxx 400 doesnt support LGA1700 (shockingly it supports LGA20XX). Not much difference in performance, but the fan is a lot better noise-wise.
Really impressed there's so much low-end/mid-range heatsink selection that's actually decent (compared to the late 90s/early 2000s).
Really impressed there's so much low-end/mid-range heatsink selection that's actually decent (compared to the late 90s/early 2000s).
Per the other thread (can't remember which one exactly, they've all got a bit messy) about Zen 4 boosting up to 95C almost all the time, I suspect a large tower cooler like this will give you almost all the performance you're ever going to get out of the new AMD chips.
https://www.techpowerup.com/299973/arct ... ermal-pads
https://www.arctic.de/us/tp3-thermal-pad-series
New thermal pads from Arctic Cooling... given how many GPUs we've re-padded lately might be useful?
https://www.arctic.de/us/tp3-thermal-pad-series
New thermal pads from Arctic Cooling... given how many GPUs we've re-padded lately might be useful?
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/th ... tact-frame
http://www.thermalright.com/product/lga1700-bcf-black/
Not the only LGA1700 frame on the market, honestly not sure how I stumbled upon this review.
http://www.thermalright.com/product/lga1700-bcf-black/
Not the only LGA1700 frame on the market, honestly not sure how I stumbled upon this review.
I recently installed one. It was good about 10°C improvement at PL1=PL2=241W defaults.
I have some Arctic MX-6 arriving tomorrow and will give it a shot. Installed a 5800x3d last weekend and thought I had some thermal paste, but didn't. Decided to run to BB and they only had some Corsair TM30 to use with my H115i. Well, the CPU seems to throttle a bit at the end of a Time Spy run so I'm going to see if MX-6 is a bit better.
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Video reviews drive me crazy but Hardware Canucks has one of the only recent Thermalright heatsink reviews I’ve seen, the Peerless Assassin 120.
Still haven’t been able to find any reputable Thermalright Frost Commander 140 reviews. And I’d love to see some reviews on a newer Zen 4 dual-chiplet platform, although to their credit, TechPowerUp does use the older Zen 2 3900X for their reviews.
I picked this up with the extra fan to replace a stock AMD Wraith Stealth Cooler. Absolutely night and day. So much cooler and quieter. Paired this up with there Be Quiet 140mm case fans and a 120mm one and I went from a box with an annoying amount of noise to one where I actually had to get on the floor to make sure they were even spinning. I was really surprised at just how much the temp dropped.
Just a note: recently I put together a build that would "hum" under no load. I had gone with a a Corsair H150i 360mm AIO as I couldn't find my current preferred AIO from Be Quiet!.
Now this was still a relatively quiet system, but my prior system - pretty close to identical case (Fractal Define R7s)/component wise - it was impossible to tell it was running at idle without putting your ear to it.
After a month I gave up and put in a back order for a Be Quiet! AIO 360. I was right - that was the source of the noise. I would say it purrs like a kitten now, but a purr would drown it out. I cannot believe how that little bit of noise at idle bothered me. Gaming - I have my headphones on, doesn't matter then.
Now this was still a relatively quiet system, but my prior system - pretty close to identical case (Fractal Define R7s)/component wise - it was impossible to tell it was running at idle without putting your ear to it.
After a month I gave up and put in a back order for a Be Quiet! AIO 360. I was right - that was the source of the noise. I would say it purrs like a kitten now, but a purr would drown it out. I cannot believe how that little bit of noise at idle bothered me. Gaming - I have my headphones on, doesn't matter then.
Noctua Presents CPU Coolers for Intel's LGA-4677 Xeon Platform
The new NH-U14S DX-4677, NH-U12S DX-4677, NH-U9 DX-4677 and NH-D9 DX-4677 4U are dedicated, customised solutions for Intel's professional LGA4677 platform (Sapphire Rapids), which makes them an ideal fit for both 4th generation Xeon Scalable CPUs (Platinum, Gold, Silver or Bronze) and W-3400 or...
Noctua coolers for Intel Sapphire Rapids (LGA 4677) Xeon.
Useful they did both a NH-D9 DX-4677 and a NH-U9 DX-4677 with different rotation of heatsink/airflow alignment, plus both fit 4U chassis. The larger ones (NH-U12S DX-4677 and NH-U14S DX-4677) don't fit in a 4U (although I assume most of us know that already).
Also handy is the NM-i4677 mounting kit to allow Noctua DX-4189, DX-3647, and TR4-SP3 coolers to fit LGA4677, although I'd want to measure baseplate/heatpipe dimensions and location before necessarily adapting one of those-- my back of the envelope math is too crude to be sure and while I don't not trust WCCFTech here I'd still want to be sure given the dollar amount of the CPUs involved here!
https://wccftech.com/intel-sapphire...eme-core-count-die-with-56-golden-cove-cores/
Noctua Reveals Product Roadmap for 2023 and 2024
Noctua has, as of this month, refreshed its product roadmap for the rest of 2023, and even provides a couple of scant details about far-off hardware scheduled for launch in early 2024 and beyond. The Austrian computer cooling hardware specialist is probably updating their release forecast in...
Been waiting forever for some Noctua updates.
2023 Q3: updated AMD Threadripper heatsink/fans.
2024 Q1: updated 140mm fan.
2024 unspecified: updated NH-D15.
Given how much work has gone into competing fans and heatsinks, definitely good to see them trying to compete.
I'm actually in the market for 4 new radiator fans at the moment, 120mm for a 480 rad.
My options appear to be: Noctua NF A12x25 PWM Chromax, Be Quiet Silent Wings 4, Phanteks T30. All perform comparably, with the Phanteks moving more air at the cost of more noise at a given RPM (on average).
Currently using Silent Wings 3 on a 360 rad, and the older brown NF A12x25 on a 480 rad. Still seems like the A12x25 is overall the best. But once factoring in cost, the Silent Wings 4 (non-Pro as I don't need the high RPM capability - my system is built for silence) might be the winner at $24 a pop vs. $35 for the Noctua.
My options appear to be: Noctua NF A12x25 PWM Chromax, Be Quiet Silent Wings 4, Phanteks T30. All perform comparably, with the Phanteks moving more air at the cost of more noise at a given RPM (on average).
Currently using Silent Wings 3 on a 360 rad, and the older brown NF A12x25 on a 480 rad. Still seems like the A12x25 is overall the best. But once factoring in cost, the Silent Wings 4 (non-Pro as I don't need the high RPM capability - my system is built for silence) might be the winner at $24 a pop vs. $35 for the Noctua.
It is so Noctua, a company that felt the need to announce fan spacers, to have a product roadmap with an ETA for a fan hub. They certainly make great products but they also sure love their own brand of Kool-Aid.Noctua Reveals Product Roadmap for 2023 and 2024
Noctua has, as of this month, refreshed its product roadmap for the rest of 2023, and even provides a couple of scant details about far-off hardware scheduled for launch in early 2024 and beyond. The Austrian computer cooling hardware specialist is probably updating their release forecast in...www.techpowerup.com
Been waiting forever for some Noctua updates.
2023 Q3: updated AMD Threadripper heatsink/fans.
2024 Q1: updated 140mm fan.
2024 unspecified: updated NH-D15.
Given how much work has gone into competing fans and heatsinks, definitely good to see them trying to compete.
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I don't get the point of fan hubs. Don't most motherboards have like a zillion fan headers already, or is that limited to the expensive models?
Mine is midrange (MSI B550M Mortar), and it has 3 system fan headers, 1 CPU fan header and one pump header (which means that it is a fan header with a higher max power draw) , each individually controllable. I don't need more (I have a few Y-connectors to run multiple fans on the same program in a few spots), but I suppose someone might?
I suppose if you are using lots of extremely power hungry fans its probably safer to connect them to a fan hub -> PSU rather than risk exceeding the typical 1A limit on each header?
It depends on what you want to index fan speed to. If you are using case fans for general airflow, chassis temp (so any of the CHA_FAN_# headers) is fine. If these are radiator fans, you likely want to index them to
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Actually, if it's for radiator fans, you'll want to index it to water temps. CPU temps are way too volatile, and you'd get constant fan speed changes.
And as for fan hubs, there are also more advanced controllers, such as an Aquaero or OCTO, that allow for very advanced finetuning of watercooled systems. For plain aircooled systems it's overkill though.
My custom loop system has 10 fans in it, 9 of which run off the same PWM signal, which comes from a little fan controller board from Amazon, since my board doesn't have a header for a thermal probe.
I mean, it might be nice to see what speed they are all running at but it's not necessary. An inexpensive Arctic fan hub uses SATA power so I don't have to worry about any of my fan headers, and makes the wiring for those fans a lot tidier.
But yeah - this setup is an outlier.
I mean, it might be nice to see what speed they are all running at but it's not necessary. An inexpensive Arctic fan hub uses SATA power so I don't have to worry about any of my fan headers, and makes the wiring for those fans a lot tidier.
But yeah - this setup is an outlier.
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These look interesting and no-nonsense. No RGB (there's a clip-on part that costs extra), 28mm, LCP blades. Best of all, IMO the best built-in daisy chain design currently available.
They do look good, assuming the performance and noise characteristics are up to snuff. Hopefully GN will get hold of some and run them through their fan test rig.
I'm interested in their 24-12V converter. Most of my PC fan needs are already handled, but a trustable way to connect Noctua fans to industrial power supplies (since most of their 24 and 48V industrial fans appear to no longer be available for retail customers) for CNC equipment and 3D printers, without having to run the 5V models would be great. Plus the 24V 40mm fan would be great to have for my 3D printers, so I can ditch the various Amazon specials.
Got 6 of these now. Unfortunately I'm not ready to install them yet, it will have to be part of a larger overhaul hopefully in the next week or two. I'm also not equipped to do any direct airflow or cooling comparisons with other fans.
First impression is these are extremely chunky in the best way. The frames are 10/10 build quality, the blades subjectively feel slightly less solid than Noctua's. Very easy to daisy chain just like Lian Li's other Unifans. Each mounting hole is also recessed 3mm (both sides) so you can use any screws meant for 25mm fans, unless the head is wider than the counterbore. These will look super slick with recessed black socket cap screws. There is obvious thought in the design and iterative improvements over earlier Unifans - removeable daisy-chain locking lugs, cables coming off the fan that can freely bend in any direction. Impressively, the back of the hub where you usually find the OEM sticker and power ratings, is now apparently a clear plastic cap, no sticker, albeit volts/amps ratings are conspicuously missing.
The spokes side of the frame look kinda thick and I'm not sure if we are getting full +3mm depth on the fan blades themselves. I can do a direct comparison vs Noctuas once I pull them out of my PC.
So this might warrant a different thread, but I've always been quite perplexed at CPU cooler prices past the $50-70 range. I read back in the thread some, and see that the PA 120 is a solid "budget" CPU heatsink. But what does Noctua/be quiet do better than everyone else that their products warrant $70-120 for their products? It's not dB level - which is probably my highest concern. Generally their products hit the 25 dB level. Meanwhile my go-to, Arctic, typically maxes out around .4 sone (about 16dB).
It just seems like a lot of one-upmanship when a good $50-70 cooler will keep you well away from 70C, which is a very reasonable thermal target.
I guess my point is that it seems like Noctua is the trendy brand charging extravagant prices, equivalent to Apple, "High" fashion brands, Yeti, lululemon, or whatever flavor of the month overpriced piece of waterbottle is out there. Their product far outprices build AND design cost, and charges a hefty premium on top of what a normal profit would be.
I am targeting the 7800X3D for my next build, and the biggest flaw about the Arctic 50 is it doesn't list a TDP target.
It just seems like a lot of one-upmanship when a good $50-70 cooler will keep you well away from 70C, which is a very reasonable thermal target.
I guess my point is that it seems like Noctua is the trendy brand charging extravagant prices, equivalent to Apple, "High" fashion brands, Yeti, lululemon, or whatever flavor of the month overpriced piece of waterbottle is out there. Their product far outprices build AND design cost, and charges a hefty premium on top of what a normal profit would be.
I am targeting the 7800X3D for my next build, and the biggest flaw about the Arctic 50 is it doesn't list a TDP target.
The cost for the very last 0.5C of performance carries both an actual design cost, a manufacturing cost-- and yes, as you point out, a halo effect.
The other top rank heatsinks are similarly priced-- the be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 Pro is $90,
Even the smaller, short of the top rank, not as good Montech Metal DT24 Premium is $69. The Deepcool AK620 is closer to the be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 Pro in performance than the Noctua NH-D15 so a bit behind the best, and it's also $69.
That said there are some tremendous values to be found as you've noted. Thermalright used to be a very top tier brand (and I suspect they still are in many ways) but they seem to have fallen off the review wagon, and if you shop around the Frost Commander 140 can be found for $66 shipped.
The Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE is $46 right now and I'd probably grab that if I were you.
The other top rank heatsinks are similarly priced-- the be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 Pro is $90,
Even the smaller, short of the top rank, not as good Montech Metal DT24 Premium is $69. The Deepcool AK620 is closer to the be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 Pro in performance than the Noctua NH-D15 so a bit behind the best, and it's also $69.
That said there are some tremendous values to be found as you've noted. Thermalright used to be a very top tier brand (and I suspect they still are in many ways) but they seem to have fallen off the review wagon, and if you shop around the Frost Commander 140 can be found for $66 shipped.
Heat output from the 7800X3D is pretty modest so you don't need to worry about the top rank of cooling.
The Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE is $46 right now and I'd probably grab that if I were you.
Having owned plenty of Arctic Cooling products, I generally find their noise output about the same as the competition -- Coolermaster, be Quiet, Thermalright, Noctua, etc. I would suspect (and reviews confirm) noise is in the ballpark with their competition at least at modest heat loads for the Arctic Freezer 50. Tweaktown uses a very modest Ryzen 3600X which is a 6C/12T part, there may be other reviews to look at.
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*2 was “can I connect them directly to a motherboard header without the included controller
**3 was “if so, what is the default RPM range without the controller”
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*2 was “can I connect them directly to a motherboard header without the included controller
**3 was “if so, what is the default RPM range without the controller”
It's a bit of PR from noctua, but still an interesting discussion of their development process:
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Alphacool Core Storm XT45 is extremely impressive for a 240mm radiator. The Core Hurrican XT45 is even better as it is a 360mm radiator but the lack of performance difference vs. its 240mm little brother is... enlightening.
Thanks continuum, that was an interesting read. The fact that the two radiators perform effectively the same suggests that for a relatively low heatload, neither rad is the limiting factor. For higher loads (and / or lower fan speeds) we do see the 360 stretch its legs a bit (Testing Results page, select the 250W or 340W load levels).
Being a thicker radiator I'd expect this setup to scale with fan speed but also with push-pull, which might help maintain relatively low noise performance (four fans at 1000rpm probably less obnoxious than two at 1500rpm, or whatever speed would be needed to achieve the same thermal result).
I was confused as to why they used the same PWM signal for the fans and pump in testing, see the performance tank, and then report those results. A test run with the fans turned down but the pump running on a full PWM duty cycle would have been rather more useful. They could even have looked to see if there was scope to run the pump at say 80% while reducing the fan speed to 40 or 50%. But anyway, interesting to see that custom loops retain a decisive advantage over even the best AIOs, albeit for a considerable cost premium.
Being a thicker radiator I'd expect this setup to scale with fan speed but also with push-pull, which might help maintain relatively low noise performance (four fans at 1000rpm probably less obnoxious than two at 1500rpm, or whatever speed would be needed to achieve the same thermal result).
I was confused as to why they used the same PWM signal for the fans and pump in testing, see the performance tank, and then report those results. A test run with the fans turned down but the pump running on a full PWM duty cycle would have been rather more useful. They could even have looked to see if there was scope to run the pump at say 80% while reducing the fan speed to 40 or 50%. But anyway, interesting to see that custom loops retain a decisive advantage over even the best AIOs, albeit for a considerable cost premium.
FSP's 2500W Power Supply Has Enough Juice To Feed Four RTX 4090
The mother of all power supplies
Focus of the article is the FSP Cannon Pro 2500W, a server-grade unit, but they mention a bunch of other power supplies as well as a MX09 heatsink/fan.
Noctua Releases Direct Die Kit for Delidded Ryzen 7000 CPUs
Noctua adapter to fit their heatsinks to delidded AMD Zen 4 processors.