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Drizzt321

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That's fine, and a legit viewpoint.

I'm past caring. I don't want to tinker with my printer, I want to use it. I don't need to optimize my Bambu because it already has best in class performance, and a team that's constantly working on improving it.

My printer makes my projects, I don't want it to be one of my projects anymore. I've been there, upgraded my Prusa Mk3 for instance using parts I printed on it. I love that, really. But I'm in a space now where exploring the tech in and of itself, tinkering for the fun of tinkering, isn't where my focus is.

But I recognize other people prioritize totally differently.
I'm closer to that myself, but I still value the capability to, as well as wanting to give my money to companies that, even if they don't totally embrace it (more like Pursa does), still has the capability to a degree and doesn't make a large effort to wall things off.

Thus me still considering a Voron...but kinda feeling less like I want to these days. Or at least right now.
 

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For many years I was in the "I just want the output of my printer" camp, instead of the "I want to tinker" camp. I decided to build a voron anyway (2.4, 350mm^3). I'm not done with it yet, but I've been thoroughly enjoying putting it together over the last week or so. I feel like I'm already a lot more comfortable with the voron, compared to my old printer which feels a lot like a black box sometimes. We'll see how that changes when I get to the tweaking/tuning part, I suppose.

Drizzt, did you look into the PiF (Print it Forward) program for voron? it's a basically at-cost way to get the necessary (functional) printed parts for a voron build with vetted quality controls. I'd bet it's cheaper than going through some other printing service.
 

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I'm closer to that myself, but I still value the capability to, as well as wanting to give my money to companies that, even if they don't totally embrace it (more like Pursa does), still has the capability to a degree and doesn't make a large effort to wall things off.

Thus me still considering a Voron...but kinda feeling less like I want to these days. Or at least right now.
Totally get it.

I guess to me companies like Creality are less about being "open" and more about "look, we just made whatever design is hot the best we could quickly reverse engineer it, and we can't be bothered with more than that effort, including walling things off and working on new features. We'll launch a new model in 6 months instead."

Which is convenient for people who want to tinker, for sure.

I liked supporting Prusa, but the Mk4 just wasn't an actual serious upgrade for me. I wouldn't go back to a non-enclosed printer now too.
 

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That explains some of the Creality things. Yeah, I don't mind going after the new hotness, but keep with it until the firmware catches up with the hardware you put in it (e.g. that "AI" laser first layer thing). That's turning me off from them, thanks for that experience with them.

And yeah, if Prusa had a "baby" XL that was ~280-300 square, and they actually got that tool changer to work, that'd be dynamite. I'd even be OK buying it (call it ~$1500) with just the 1 tool head, and wait another year for them to get everything worked out, and buy a 2nd or 3rd. Even if it meant I need to re-buy some of the hardware bits for the connectors or what not.

But nope, they had to go straight for 360x360x360, so an enormous machine.

Anyways...
 

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So I think I found my printer, hit the buy button.

A fully enclosed XY, with Independent Dual Extruder (IDEX) with full Klipper. https://www.formbot3d.com/products/...xtruder-idex-3d-printer-with-klipper-firmware

Here's an interview with the guy being the primary drive behind it. It's $1200 currently for pre-order, although it's started shipping and a few people have started to get theirs, but not much in the way of reviews yet. Mostly just a unboxing so far. It's physically rather bigger than I truly wanted, but for IDEX and all the features it packs, I'll figure it out. Somehow, someway. Uses almost entirely standard COTS parts, completely F/OSS Klipper, so I'm confident I'll end up being able to tweak whatever I might need to. Especially moving the filament holders somewhere other than the back.

And one that I'm a bit salivating about, but too expensive and WAY too big, the Peopoly Magneto X https://peopoly.net/products/magneto-x. Uses closed loop magnetic linear motor systems. Seems pretty amazing, something to keep an eye on, especially if they come out with a "mini" version in the next few years, or I physically have a lot more space available some day. Sounds like they directly support/upstream to Klipper and Orca Slicer too, which is really nice.
 
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I expect my 3D printer to work like my 2D printer, I send things to it and it prints. Which is why I love the X1C a lot more than I loved my Prusa, and there's no way I'd go back.

I understand a Voron if your hobby is fscking with the printer itself, but for a lot of us, the printer is just a tool for our actual hobby. Thank goodness Bambu came along and shook things up. Crappy user experiences aren't acceptable for anything but the bottom tier any more.

There's good availability of parts for the X1C, I can even get them all locally here in Malaysia, which was a bit of a surprise when I moved here.
 

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Yeah, I'm expecting it to have some rough edges, need some tweaks and such. But seems like all the core parts and software is already there. Just first production run and low volume at the moment. And no particular documentation wiki page at the moment, and in the Discord sounds like very low sales so far. Someone mentioned 28 or so with my purchase. Formbot just hasn't put any effort, at all, in any fashion to getting any word out at all.

So I'll see. A bit of a risk in some ways, but I think worth it if it gets even a fraction of the potential. So now that Lunar New Year is over, it'll probably ship in the next week or so. So hopefully I'll get it in the next 2 weeks.
 
Polymaker Polydissolve i think is still the go to. FYI, Every PVA/PVOH filament needs to be in a drybox or else it will start to get sticky/soft, and it has to be printed nearer the lower end of PLA temperature (<200C) to work (or else if it gets too hot, it crystalizes and clogs the hotend).

Better go with breakaway instead (which you can do with PETG on PLA or vice versa) unless your model has weird/limited/inaccessible support areas (that do require dissolvable supports).
 
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Hm, yeah. Most models breakaway probably is good, but I'm sure I will have some things that I'll want to use dissolvable supports.

Hm...says not compatible with ABS. Still, a broadly applicable support filament. I'll do some research and see what else is out there.

First I need to get it the printer and get it setup and working.
 

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Hm, yeah. Most models breakaway probably is good, but I'm sure I will have some things that I'll want to use dissolvable supports.

Hm...says not compatible with ABS. Still, a broadly applicable support filament. I'll do some research and see what else is out there.

First I need to get it the printer and get it setup and working.
HIPS works as a dissolvable support for ABS, but dissolves in limonene (hope you like the smell of citrus).
 
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The problem with D-Limonene is it might also attack the ABS in long soak/baths (as both are styrene-based). Probably why it sort of disappeared in the market (still clinging on to my roll of white PETG). AFAIK, Stratasys systems used MEK to dissolve their supports for ABS prints but that's even more toxic. Can probably still use PETG as (breakaway) ABS support,

FWIW, Polymaker has breakaway support but i dont know if it works with ABS (polysupport), or maybe use Bambu Lab's support filament (which both i think is similar).
 

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Metal filament starts at $150 per 500 grams.
Yikes... I'm thinking that 3D printing any kind of metal part is out for now, unless I can think of a genuinely good reason to do it.

One thing I'm curious about still though is whether 3D-printed metal parts are porous at all. Off to google... [Edit] yes, potentially a lot.
 
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Yikes... I'm thinking that 3D printing any kind of metal part is out for now, unless I can think of a genuinely good reason to do it.

One thing I'm curious about still though is whether 3D-printed metal parts are porous at all. Off to google... [Edit] yes, potentially a lot.
Depends on the method, I'd imagine. SLS vs print and oven sinter...
 

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There's also ultrasonic fusing, supersonic deposition (It's got a really unfortunate acronym, cold-spray additive manufacturing), MIG deposition, etc. Metal 3D printing is a mess of different developmental avenues. Ultrasonic can do non-porous structures, but needs either post-machining or to have the foils trimmed per layer, and I don't think there are machines that aren't 7-8 figures to do it yet, as it's mostly getting interest and airtime in the Aerospace and Defense Manufacturing magazines, while MIG can do the same, but good luck getting close tolerances for waterblocks out of it. CSAM would need sealing surfaces and threads machined, but is supposed to be much lower porosity than sintered processes. They also quote some pretty low prices for print costs, but the machines are pretty expensive since they need to integrate a 6 axis robot to move the target plate and a whopping big air compressor.

Makes it fun when I get to see a new flavor of metal 3d printer, you can always be surprised by what avenues are available.
 
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So unfortunately, while I got PLA printing fine, when going back to ABS I'm having terrible trouble getting a decent first layer. printing on the middle of the bed, ~40mm circle as the bottom, for some reason one side mostly prints OK, while the other doesn't. Bed should be moderately level, and I used the BLTouch I installed a while back to bed level.

I also re-measured/tuned the extruder steps, re-figured the z-offset.

I guess I can try printing without turning on the ABL mesh?
 

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Hm, did a manual re-level of the 4 corners, another z-offset setting, and then another round of ABL. So far 1st layer seems OK, 2nd layer looks good, we'll see what the 1st layer looks like after I pull it off the bed. Might just have it working well enough now.

Also got a larger clear* PolyPro closable box. Plenty big enough, and I have a nice small piece of glass I can use to put the part(s) on in there. Just need to figure out how/what to do for holding it up. Hm. I might have a dowel that's unused, if not some scrap bits of wood, maybe with 1/4" insert threads, 2 of them, route/table saw passes some shoulders. Loosen bolts to let them rotate, put glass plate down in, turn to provide a hold for the glass plate, and then screw down to hold them in place and provide a "clamp" so to speak, to keep the glass well in place if it's jostled. Loosen bolts to be able to pull the glass plate up to remove for drying/off gassing.

EDIT: Bingo! Finally, looks like it's working well :)
 
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And... My new Marathon is getting in to me tomorrow! Annoyingly it's arrived at the local location, but not in time to go out for delivery this morning. Might be just as well, my partner is visiting so i won't be wanting to set it up.

EDIT: Well...guess it did make it to the local office early enough, out for delivery today
EDIT2: And...got it! Corner of the cardboard was a bit torn, some plastic revealed underneath. It's a plastic corner protector over some white foam padding. So likely all good.
EDIT3: Well, it's been ~5 hours, assembled and powered up, but can't get it on the WiFi, even following instructions. Fortunately has an easily accessible ethernet jack on the front, but I don't want to require it, so leaving it until tomorrow perhaps.

It's big. Bigger than I expected, even though I had the measurements and sorta looked at those on the meter metal ruler I have. But I'll make it work!
 
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I'm kind of in the market for a new 3D printer (have started to look, but no real timeframe). I've had a Creatlity Ender 3 Pro for a while and...I would like something more plug and play, faster and with more automation (especially bed leveling).

I'm intrigued by the Bambu X1C and watched/read initial reviews. Have things settled down with some of the early release niggles with the machine and firmware? I think the X1C ticks a lot of boxes for what I'd like in a new printer.