An 8x slowdown is unexpected bad for Rosetta, which is usually much better, even for CPU intensive code. Perhaps the VB engine just doesn't lend itself to translation well?
Microsoft Office and OS X
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Likely not. I would imagine VBA is simply a legacy, but very important part of Office. The new style addons are much more cross-platform friendly.
In that case perhaps it's missing a runtime JIT or other VM features on ARM used to make execution faster.
Yeah, I don't know where the slowdown is. This was a freshly-downloaded install of Office on a brand-new MBP and I think Jonathon is correct that Office is ARM-native (and has been for several months). I would hope that the development team had already identified this as a problem, though whether they can do much to correct it without significant work remains to be seen. I wonder if (Windows) Excel running on Windows ARM has the same issue?
Is it just me or is PowerPoint just really an unruly application? A recent job change has thrust me into a world where Office rules the roost and I find myself having to create and maintain PowerPoint slide decks. I cannot seem to master the follow:
This application is going to make me crazy.
- Slide numbers. I place them on all the master slides, and yet sometimes they show up on child slides and sometimes they do not.
- PowerPoint on one occasion has inserted a slide master, called "standard", that was not in the slide deck I had built and switched a number of slides to this template.
- PowerPoint seems to have shifted graphics on a slide from the last time I opened, edited, and saved.
This application is going to make me crazy.
With the last update, the appearance of comments has changed. They no longer show like squared bubbles connected to the text, they now "float". I suppose I'm not the only one who noticed this.
I'm not sure why, but comments still show in the old fashion on one of my Macs, and I haven't found a way to force them to show this way on my other Macs (all using the same version of Word).
Any ideas?
I prefer the "old" appearance, as it makes it easier to edit a comment. What used to take zero step now takes two: click "edit", and after you've done, click "save". :/
I'm not sure why, but comments still show in the old fashion on one of my Macs, and I haven't found a way to force them to show this way on my other Macs (all using the same version of Word).
Any ideas?
I prefer the "old" appearance, as it makes it easier to edit a comment. What used to take zero step now takes two: click "edit", and after you've done, click "save". :/
If it makes you feel better, I just yesterday experienced PowerPoint 365 on Windows making uncommanded modifications to my slide masters, and have certainly seen plenty of janky behavior from it in the past.
Ok, you can disable these "Modern comments" in the general preferences.
Is anyone experiencing long launch times with Office on Monterey? I understand some lag after a reboot but subsequent launches after that were bouncing on the dock for ten seconds. Other large apps also. I did a clean wipe, went back to Catalina and everything is fast again. Some sort of security malware check beginning with Big Sur?
I just lost about 4 hours worth of work 
I'm not sure whether it's macOS (10.14.16) or Word that's at fault.
I have a 90+ MB docx saved to our company fileserver (Server 2008 R2) that has a lot of photos and oscilloscope captures. I must perform the oscilloscope captures from Windows, because the Tektronix feature works only in Windows. But then I do a lot of editing and photo insertion from the Mac side because I'm more productive on my Mac.
So this morning I fired up my Win7/64 installation in VMWare Fusion, opened the document in Winword 2013, spent several hours inserting scope captures into the document, saved it, and closed it. I did the work in two sessions, before and after lunch, so I know for 100% sure that I saved the document, otherwise the morning's changes wouldn't have been there in the afternoon. I also made a point of saving when I finished in the afternoon, because I had to carry my laptop back from the lab to my office, and I don't like having open documents on a network share when I sleep my computer.
So I get back to my desk, open the shared folder on my Mac, and open the document in Mac Word 16.54. As I scroll through it I realize I'm missing all of my work from today. I quit Word, look at the file in Finder, and the date modified is yesterday afternoon.
I quit Mac Word, fire up Fusion, and look at that same directory. Date stamp is yesterday afternoon.
I've never experienced anything like this.
Does macOS do file caching when accessing documents on an SMB share? Does Word?
Has anyone seen any behavior remotely like this before?
I've searched for any temp documents in my Windows install, but I don't see anything promising. Backup ran last night, but that was before I did 4 hours of work today
Might this be another clue? In Winword's MRUD the two latest entries are:
\\fileserver\steven\share\EthernetCablingComparison.docx
and
\\fileserver\Steven\share\EthernetCablingComparison.docx
Selecting either one opens the same document (from yesterday afternoon) but it's curious that it appears in the list twice, with the only difference being the capital 'S' in Steven.
I'm not sure whether it's macOS (10.14.16) or Word that's at fault.
I have a 90+ MB docx saved to our company fileserver (Server 2008 R2) that has a lot of photos and oscilloscope captures. I must perform the oscilloscope captures from Windows, because the Tektronix feature works only in Windows. But then I do a lot of editing and photo insertion from the Mac side because I'm more productive on my Mac.
So this morning I fired up my Win7/64 installation in VMWare Fusion, opened the document in Winword 2013, spent several hours inserting scope captures into the document, saved it, and closed it. I did the work in two sessions, before and after lunch, so I know for 100% sure that I saved the document, otherwise the morning's changes wouldn't have been there in the afternoon. I also made a point of saving when I finished in the afternoon, because I had to carry my laptop back from the lab to my office, and I don't like having open documents on a network share when I sleep my computer.
So I get back to my desk, open the shared folder on my Mac, and open the document in Mac Word 16.54. As I scroll through it I realize I'm missing all of my work from today. I quit Word, look at the file in Finder, and the date modified is yesterday afternoon.
I quit Mac Word, fire up Fusion, and look at that same directory. Date stamp is yesterday afternoon.
I've never experienced anything like this.
Does macOS do file caching when accessing documents on an SMB share? Does Word?
Has anyone seen any behavior remotely like this before?
I've searched for any temp documents in my Windows install, but I don't see anything promising. Backup ran last night, but that was before I did 4 hours of work today
Might this be another clue? In Winword's MRUD the two latest entries are:
\\fileserver\steven\share\EthernetCablingComparison.docx
and
\\fileserver\Steven\share\EthernetCablingComparison.docx
Selecting either one opens the same document (from yesterday afternoon) but it's curious that it appears in the list twice, with the only difference being the capital 'S' in Steven.
There is an option in Word 365 at least, under options->advanced->save, to copy remotely stored files onto your computer, and update the remote file when saving.
But no idea about recovery of a Word file in that sort of setup. I haven't used OSX over SMB in years, and thought it was slightly flaky and TBF, even Windows to a Windows share directly, sometimes is sus and breaks.
But no idea about recovery of a Word file in that sort of setup. I haven't used OSX over SMB in years, and thought it was slightly flaky and TBF, even Windows to a Windows share directly, sometimes is sus and breaks.
^^
I almost duplicated this again today. It only took me about an hour to re-create my work, because I already knew exactly what needed to get done. I did a bunch of editing in Mac Word, and closed the document, but kept Mac Word running.
I switched over to Win Word, collected all the oscilloscope captures, saved the file, re-opened to double-check (yes!), closed it again, and even duplicated the file in Windows Explorer, just in case.
Back on the Mac side, I opened the document from Mac Word's MRUD, and it opened _instantly_, e.g. far faster than should be possible over the network, and it was in the state it was in when I closed it from Mac Word an hour before. Had I made a change and saved, as I'd done yesterday, I'd have lost my work again.
I closed it without saving and then opened it from the Finder, and it opened properly.
I tried and failed to duplicate this behavior with a smaller file.
I also tried and failed to duplicate this behavior with minor changes to a copy of the large file. I suspect it requires some sort of elapsed time in order to trigger the bug.
It appears to be some sort of caching mechanism gone wrong, but I don't know whether it's the Mac side, the SMB side, or the Mac Word side, or the Win Word side. Too many variables.
I almost duplicated this again today. It only took me about an hour to re-create my work, because I already knew exactly what needed to get done. I did a bunch of editing in Mac Word, and closed the document, but kept Mac Word running.
I switched over to Win Word, collected all the oscilloscope captures, saved the file, re-opened to double-check (yes!), closed it again, and even duplicated the file in Windows Explorer, just in case.
Back on the Mac side, I opened the document from Mac Word's MRUD, and it opened _instantly_, e.g. far faster than should be possible over the network, and it was in the state it was in when I closed it from Mac Word an hour before. Had I made a change and saved, as I'd done yesterday, I'd have lost my work again.
I closed it without saving and then opened it from the Finder, and it opened properly.
I tried and failed to duplicate this behavior with a smaller file.
I also tried and failed to duplicate this behavior with minor changes to a copy of the large file. I suspect it requires some sort of elapsed time in order to trigger the bug.
It appears to be some sort of caching mechanism gone wrong, but I don't know whether it's the Mac side, the SMB side, or the Mac Word side, or the Win Word side. Too many variables.
It almost sounds like the Mac side is opening the backup copy of the file, like when Word crashes and you reopen it and it opens the recovered version of the file you were working on instead of the last explicitly saved version.
Anyone heard of any other updates regarding getting Notes and Tasks reintegrated into Outlook? Its pushed as default but still missing 2 of its 5 central purposes (not counting all the other stuff). PITA to not have Notes available offline unless its in Apple Notes. At least Tasks has the To Do application use (but seriously, how is that part not integrated into Outlook either?).
They are in Outlook if New Outlook is turned off. Weird that switching to New Outlook causes things to go away.
It’s been years…
Integrating ToDo seems like it should be simple. Hell, just open a web page within the frame and fake it. Even a separate dedicated web app window within Outlook so I didn’t have to chase down the right browser tab. It’s beyond ridiculous at this point.
Integrating ToDo seems like it should be simple. Hell, just open a web page within the frame and fake it. Even a separate dedicated web app window within Outlook so I didn’t have to chase down the right browser tab. It’s beyond ridiculous at this point.
Am I the only only one having the autopudate app launch at every boot? It started doing so after the last excel update.
I can't make it behave. It's not part of the startup items and I haven't set automatic updates.
Oh, and Word still underlines words with circumflex accents as mistyped on certain documents. That's been happening for months now.
I can't make it behave. It's not part of the startup items and I haven't set automatic updates.
Oh, and Word still underlines words with circumflex accents as mistyped on certain documents. That's been happening for months now.
On my MBA, it started launching several times a day since last week, though it isn't behaving that way on my iMac.
That sounds like the document has a Language setting or something like that independent of the main application. Which sort of makes sense, from a certain point of view.
I'm having the same problem on my 2020 iMac. Launches several times a day now. I assume it has to do with the recent update. I haven't tried reporting it but I imagine someone will and we'll see a patch soon enough. At least I hope so.
I've switched over to the App Store versions on all the machines I've set up recently-- the App Store updater's not spectacular (that's a whole other rant), but it's better than Microsoft's updater (which likes to do weird things at inopportune times, even when set to automatically update).
That said, I haven't seen autoupdate launch on its own on any of my machines that are still running the MS updater. That includes my work machine, which I'm actively using all day, every day (so I'd notice).
That said, I haven't seen autoupdate launch on its own on any of my machines that are still running the MS updater. That includes my work machine, which I'm actively using all day, every day (so I'd notice).
Language for proofing is derived from styles. Have you done Style inspector?
It's not related to language settings. Word sometimes believes that a word stops at a circumflex accent. Only part of the word is underlined. It's also inconsistent. The issue may or may not appear.
A similar issue occurs upon pasting a word with a diacritic when it is copied from a pdf. Rather than pasting the character 'à' for instance, Word pastes '`' and 'a' as separate characters, and underlines the word as misspelled. The issue started occurring a few months ago.
A similar issue occurs upon pasting a word with a diacritic when it is copied from a pdf. Rather than pasting the character 'à' for instance, Word pastes '`' and 'a' as separate characters, and underlines the word as misspelled. The issue started occurring a few months ago.
Ahh! Is this because of the shift from an 8-bit character to a 16-bit for the accent? I seem to recall a similar problem years ago.
I reran this test today with a 500 trial Monte Carlo simulation. Microsoft seems to have fixed whatever the problem was. MBP finished this off in 46 seconds vs. 130 seconds on the iMac (2.4x as fast). Guess I'll think of picking up the new M2 MBA in the midnight hawtness now for my portable machine. Hoping they come out with an M2 Pro iMac for time at the desk, the Mac mini Studio is overkill for my needs.
Unless you turned that off so you can hold a key to repeatedly enter the key
EDIT: Never mind. Apologies, I should have read the rest of the thread first: I didn't realize that the term of art is "modern comments."
Does anyone know how to make comments in Word work like they used to—that is, presented in line with other edits, rather than appearing way out in the right side of a document? I see the toggle in the Ribbon for "show comments" or "don't show comments," and that toggle lets me choose "contextual" or "list," but I can't figure out how to make comments behave like they used to.
I'm on Word 16.62 (22061100).
Search engines have been futile thus far.
This is the sort of thing that makes people hate automatic "updates."
Does anyone know how to make comments in Word work like they used to—that is, presented in line with other edits, rather than appearing way out in the right side of a document? I see the toggle in the Ribbon for "show comments" or "don't show comments," and that toggle lets me choose "contextual" or "list," but I can't figure out how to make comments behave like they used to.
I'm on Word 16.62 (22061100).
Search engines have been futile thus far.
This is the sort of thing that makes people hate automatic "updates."
Powerpoint is a clunky mess compared to Keynote, and that has been the case for a long time.
Although I think all of Office took a nosedive when they switched to the ribbon interface. The best MS Office I ever used was Office 2004 for Mac...
AFAIK, it isn't possible. Office 365 has the same issue (amongst many others...), and it is infuriatingly impractical.
In Office 365 Excel on windows I can add a note to a cell that lets me edit the background to essentially add a picture as a note. This link shows what I am talking about. If you create a note in Mac 365 Excel there is no option to edit the background of the note. If you right click on the note to edit it the "format object" command is grayed out. The "format text" is grayed out too. I can send a spreadsheet generated on windows to the Mac and it will show the "picture note" but there is no way to change the picture. Does anyone do this and have a workaround for doing it on Mac 365 Excel?
Yes it's possible. Go to the general preferences and deactivate "modern comments".
This is not necessarily an option depending on what build of Office you're on (and possibly what particular A/B testing group Microsoft's decided to put you in).
I'm on 16.63.1 (22071301), adding comments gives me modern comments in Word and Excel (and presumably PowerPoint), but don't have the option to disable them in general preferences.
Go to the review tab in the ribbon, click on Markup Options, select Balloons, select Show All Revisions Inline
^ This doesn't change how comment show, in my experience. A comment is not a revision.
How can I switch from a retail Office 2019 license to Office 365?
I tried reinstalling by downloading Office 365 from my Microsoft account, but Excel is still "stuck" seeing my retail license such that I miss XLOOKUP and so on
I tried reinstalling by downloading Office 365 from my Microsoft account, but Excel is still "stuck" seeing my retail license such that I miss XLOOKUP and so on