[ARS] The DC-Vault Perpetual Thread (Part 3) - Runaway Target

Funny thing about Universe. Your stats do not show up in the stats aggregate sites unless you give permission. Except ... when looking at team scores on the universe@home site. Go to https://universeathome.pl/universe/pref ... et=project and click on consent if you want your stats to show up on freedc. I see you there outproducing me, which is good considering how little I turned on to play. I will cut it back after I hit a milestone or we go on summer rates..

I noticed my dual nvidia has been doing 2-3 gpugrid tasks a week for the past few months. I added asteroids to the mix and it is getting a few of them. Not many, but I am down from 95% idle to 80% idle on them.
 
Thanks Fractal. Changed the setting. Only other project I could find with that setting was Numberfields. Asteroids often has brief WU outages between batches so I keep a large queue. Just got Ryzen 7 #6 running yesterday as an upgrade to my "perpetual yoyo machine". It started out as a single core many years ago and was gradually upgraded to a Phenom II X6 and now a Ryzen 7 2700. Just due to perseverance it's the all time highest producing machine in Yoyo. The other 2 Ryzen 7 boxes are currently running Yafu as there's some low hanging fruit.
 

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The Vault and Team Ninja appear dead. Anyway, this looks like a good a place as any to discuss the state of DC. I recently moved my meager fleet to Einstein@Home to take a short breather from Folding (they were also running out of work units). I just passed fractal for 20th on the team. I'll hang around for a couple of weeks to at least help boost us past team Final Front Ear. (Q: How many ears does Kirk have? A: 3. Right, left and final front.) Old DC denizen whizbang is pouring it on too, and we are dramatically outproducing our overall rank, and have old nemesis teams like Ukraine and the Dutch Power Cows in our immediate sights.
 

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Quick Einstein tutorial for Folders

The way Einstein works is that it uses BOINC for the platform. Go to Einsteinathome.org and click Join. Einstein requires an account to be created on their site, so follow the link to do that. Download and install BOINC. Select Einstein from the list of projects. Enter your credentials, use "Ars Technica" for the team name. Einstein has both GPU and CPU work. Just like folding, the points system dramatically favors GPUs, particularly AMD GPUs. next is NVIDIA, then CPU work. Unlike folding, the projects award a specific amount of points whether you return them in an hour or just at the deadline.

Configuration of the clients takes place in two places - on the website in account preferences, and in the BOINC manager, which is the user interface on the client machine. The website "Preferences... Computing..." menu lets you group your machines into four different preference sets. Here is one place where you can set how many cores/threads you want it to use. The client is not multithreaded. One work unit per CPU. A GPU work unit also requires one CPU. "Preferences... Project..." is where you set what kind of work units you want. For CPU tasks, Gravitational Wave search O2 Multi-Directional awards almost four times as many points per core per day as Gamma Ray Pulsar work.

"Preferences... Privacy..." has two important settings. First is if you want other users to be able to see basic specs about your computers. Second is if you want your points to show up on BOINC stat aggregation websites. You should select yes here. BOINC is designed to offload stats to third parties. Just as most of us use Extreme OC's stats for Folding, you can use Free-DC's stats (among others) for BOINC. This can be a bit confusing until you realize the sum of the users doesn't necessarily equal the team because of users not opting in to the stats.

BOINC Manager on the clients operates very similarly to FAHControl. Here is where you stop and start activity, manage per machine preferences, and monitor the client. After setting things up, it may take a while to get things running smoothly because there are just so many settings to tweak and some interactions are not particularly intuitive. For example, I would run out of work units and my client would sit there. Why? Because I had somehow selected "ask before connecting".

One last note about Einstein and scoring. Each work unit is sent to at least two computers until a quorum is reached on a result. This means 1) you can wait a long time to get points for any arbitrary work unit, and 2) your result can get outvoted and declared invalid. A certain (very low) percentage of the work you do will be invalidated. This is an artifact of (I believe) the math libraries your computer is using vs somebody else's.

That is pretty much it. You can ask questions here (I think the Einstein thread has fallen off the map), or on the Einstein web site. BOINC supports a lot of other projects. MilkyWay@home is another interesting astrophysics project with an Ars team. Just like Folding, these projects publish results in scientific journals. Einstein recently discovered a rare "black widow" pulsar, which is slowly evaporating a companion star.
 

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Hey, y'all!

Got bored. Looked around and found that I had an old MJ12 install so updated and turned it back on (ignoring any stinkeyes that may be forthcoming).

So ... what else is still out there that's worth fiddling with on a part time basis and won't keep the fans running full speed?

-DS

<edit> sticking my toe in on Einstein ... will see how it goes with my dated hardware ... what's a reasonable completion time on a work unit? I'm seeing an estimate of a bit over a day and a half. </edit>
 

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Dark Star, did you get it running? I'm going to get to a billion points in Folding and then do a little binary pulsar searching.
I did, but I just this evening set it to "No New Tasks" as it (or BOINC) seems to interfere with local use just a little more than I can stand at present running CPU only.
 

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I'll bump this thread to talk about Einstein. Team Ninja and the vault are still dead unfortunately. Anyway, due to problems I was having with folding, I moved my fleet (har!) over and I'll hang out for awhile. We're fighting off Boca Raton high school (they have a world community grid club!) and the Final Front Ear has started to mount a comeback. We have our sights set on some smaller teams, but we have a ways to go before we catch them. First thing we have to do is break 3 billion points. Personally, I'm sneaking up on old friend MechWarrior and should pass in a day or two. Beep Beep!
 

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Team Newton's Apple (Einstein@Home) has had a great month! We've vaulted over 5 teams to get to 46th place, and could pass 5 more by Christmas. Our top producer @Whizbang just passed one Billion points! In terms of the science, the gamma ray binary search is coming to a conclusion, but they have a new Ph.D. student who will be studying Arecibo radio data. That project will have to get done in time for his or her dissertation, so it should go pretty fast. They also have MeerKat telescope data to analyze on GPUs, so definitely an active and evolving project.
 

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Team Newton's Apple (Einstein@Home) had a good 2022. We've risen in the rankings to #42 and should soon catch a moribund "Einstein at work" to take over 41st place. Then there is a huge points gulf to the next set of teams we're chasing. At current course and speed, its about a year and a half to catch the Knights and about two years to catch the [H}orde, with a smattering of national BOINC teams along the way.
 
Congrats Whizbang and all the other Einstein crunchers! Haven't been on the forum for awhile but checked in and saw that Einstein was being worked on by quite a few people. Was running Milkyway this winter, but last week switched to Einstein to help out. Noticed that the app is pretty sensitive to the NVidia client version. I had some old drivers on a few Win7 machines and updating them increased output by almost 50%. One exception was Win10 where the latest driver was actually 7% slower than v516.94. Interesting. Any other hints for getting the best output in this project?
 
@Beyond If you have a powerful enough card, you can get more throughput by running work units in parallel.
Most of my GPUs are NVidia 1060 with a few 1050Ti cards mixed in. Probably not powerful enough? I'll give it a try though. Thanks!

Edit: I have 4 of my 1060 cards now running 2x WUs. 3 6GB and 1 3GB, all are getting very close to a 10% speed bump. Temps are only up about 1C. Thanks!

Edit 2: All the Win 7 and 10 machines that I set for 2x WUs sped up somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-10%. Conversely, on my lone Windows 11 box the Einstein WUs actually slowed down well over 20% when switched to 2x despite the fact that the CPU and CPU temps went up slightly. Same NVidia drivers as in the Win10 boxes. Strange. Anyone have a possible explanation?
 
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@Beyond I'm not sure about your Win11 box. You could ask on the Einstein@Home forums. Probably "crunchers corner" would be the best sub forum.

Einstein recently published a "state of the project" news summary for the pulsar searches and promises to do the same for the gravitational wave searches. https://einsteinathome.org/content/news-about-einsteinhome-searches-radio-and-gamma-ray-pulsars
Thanks for the reply. Just moved all my GPUs back to 1x WUs as they run a bit cooler. Will be slowing down at some point fairly soon as GPU house heating season is coming to an end. Hope it's not a hot summer.
 
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