Microsoft in trouble with EU over Teams

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  • #41
    Horatio said:
    So then do you believe that Teams' dominance in the business messaging market is entirely unrelated to leveraging O365's existing established position?
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    That's a factor in it. I'm not sure it's court worthy as I find the majority of these antitrust cases with computing issues are more some other company singu government to go after someone else rather than competing and usually the consumer gets the short end of it. Like the whole EU case about media player and Real networks pushing for it which resuled in windows n(o sale) where people would import computers from outside of the ruling so they could get media player because no one understood you can just download media player

    Not all though. I like the antrtrust against HP for the shit they pull with thier printers since HP is a greedy bastard who's screwing the public over badly. I'm sure any HP owner would agree :biggreen:
     
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  • #42
    Horatio said:
    So then do you believe that Teams' dominance in the business messaging market is entirely unrelated to leveraging O365's existing established position?
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    It's not that simple. Professional-grade Teams is included in Office 365. The free Teams is interoperable with O365 Teams but I don't think it offers all the features you get if you're paying for O365.

    Are they really in a gatekeeper position? I don't think so, really. There's overlapping features with Slack and a number of other messaging and collaboration apps.

    I'd hate to Teams integration taken out of Microsoft Office. It's super useful.
     
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  • #43
    Shavano said:
    It's not that simple. Professional-grade Teams is included in Office 365. The free Teams is interoperable with O365 Teams but I don't think it offers all the features you get if you're paying for O365.
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    That's the one we're talking about - the included with O365 Teams, not the actually free Teams.
    Shavano said:
    Are they really in a gatekeeper position?
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    The EU hasn't designated then as such, but if they do designate one for the category Office will certainly qualify as it has more than 45M users.
     
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    I think part of the problem here is that a company like slack is almost by default going to struggle on the business side of this marketplace.

    O365 has one serious competitor. By definition, anything Microsoft does is going to be hard to overcome unless you're google office or of similar size.


    I'm also curious if the consumer side of slack is really keeping pace with it's early growth? I see a diversified marketplace in that space. We've talked about it in other threads, but Slack competes with everything from Whatsapp to Band to Discourse servers for non-business purposes. And legacy Facebook groups and the like too.

    I like Slack. In some ways more than Teams, but they are in a tough position.
     
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    Horatio said:
    That's the one we're talking about - the included with O365 Teams, not the actually free Teams.

    The EU hasn't designated then as such, but if they do designate one for the category Office will certainly qualify as it has more than 45M users.
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    Doesn't Slack have around 20 million?

    edit: Yes I agree if they do, it would be Teams. But I'm not sure they will in part because it's not clear to me what they'd be gating access to.
     
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  • #48
    Horatio said:
    There it is
    www.theverge.com

    Microsoft splits Teams from Office as antitrust pressure ramps up

    From today on, Teams is available on its own, everywhere.
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    I expect that this will lead to Teams improving quickly since this will break a lot of the unfair structural advantages MS has enjoyed thus far.
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    You know---I came accross teams in 2019 I think. It was free on our corp computers, but no one was using it. I started and got a couple more people to use it. One of the most useful was being able to store files in the team and not having to have IT set up a sharepoint.

    My new place...we have teams, but we can't create any teams. I guess that is locked out. No idea why. So it only gets used as a conferencing tool.

    I don't think unbundling it will help Slack much. I mean, for sure when it was "free" I was sure it would kill Slack (hence part of the problem), but even if no free, I think it would be hard for Slack to gain much.

    If you already have O365, checking the box to pay a little more for Teams is a lot easier to get through decision makers than getting a whole different company/product approved.
     
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  • #49
    Horatio said:
    There it is
    www.theverge.com

    Microsoft splits Teams from Office as antitrust pressure ramps up

    From today on, Teams is available on its own, everywhere.
    www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
    I expect that this will lead to Teams improving quickly since this will break a lot of the unfair structural advantages MS has enjoyed thus far.
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    We're an O365 shop at work and... I can't immediately think of features I'd like them to add. Maybe some additional organizational options aside from "Pinned" and "Not-Pinned"? Something around "use this space for meeting minutes and quickly turn them into to-do's"? From a chat / meetings / integrate into SharePoint and OneNote perspective, it ticks all my day to day boxes.
     
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    ant1pathy said:
    We're an O365 shop at work and... I can't immediately think of features I'd like them to add. Maybe some additional organizational options aside from "Pinned" and "Not-Pinned"? Something around "use this space for meeting minutes and quickly turn them into to-do's"? From a chat / meetings / integrate into SharePoint and OneNote perspective, it ticks all my day to day boxes.
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    You're lucky. They have so gimped it here that it is near worthless, imo. I can't stand that I can' create any teams on my own. It would be very useful.
     
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  • #51
    Horatio said:
    There it is
    www.theverge.com

    Microsoft splits Teams from Office as antitrust pressure ramps up

    From today on, Teams is available on its own, everywhere.
    www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
    I expect that this will lead to Teams improving quickly since this will break a lot of the unfair structural advantages MS has enjoyed thus far.
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    Well, if improving meaning they will cripple it then yes. No starting a shared document with office, no scheduling through outlook, more then likely no forms since forms falls under the office banner. I'm sure there's other things I'm missing.
     
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  • #53
    LordDaMan said:
    Well, if improving meaning they will cripple it then yes. No starting a shared document with office, no scheduling through outlook, more then likely no forms since forms falls under the office banner. I'm sure there's other things I'm missing.
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    I don't think they'll break any of the integrations. Every competitor has those too, so they're table stakes
     
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  • #54
    Horatio said:
    I don't think they'll break any of the integrations. Every competitor has those too, so they're table stakes
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    Not by choice no, but if the EU rules against then they will be removed and gimp the product, which is exactly why this antitrust case was brought up by competitors. Watch, this will be teams "N" in Europe.

    Edit: I did misread what was said before and though the EU did rule against Microsoft.
     
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  • #55
    LordDaMan said:
    Not by choice no, but if the EU rules against then they will be removed and gimp the product,
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    I think as long as they use the same APIs to do integrations as anyone else, it's fine. Right now, there are Outlook integrations for Slack, Zoom, etc. no issue with that for Teams. Likewise, I think you can host a GDoc inside Teams right now, no issue with doing the same for Word.
     
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    So I have no idea how this works in cross-pollinated environments, but at work we deal with a lot of CUI/PII kind of stuff. Meeting recordings are often a PII/CUI document (screen sharing something that establishes that status). When we record that file is saved to a SharePoint location that is marked and approved as a PII/CUI document storage area. Same with Teams Team (what a mouthful...) channels; when created they can be configured as sufficiently "classified" and any document stashed there or chat that occurs is in a safe spot for data security requirements. Having it all integrated at an office suite level goes a long way to putting up guardrails and giving simple, clear instructions about "you must always / you may never". Again, zero insight into how that can be configured in a mixed environment, but it's something I have a lot of direct experience with, both on the proper configuration side as well as the... human foible side of things.
     
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    ant1pathy said:
    So I have no idea how this works in cross-pollinated environments, but at work we deal with a lot of CUI/PII kind of stuff. Meeting recordings are often a PII/CUI document (screen sharing something that establishes that status). When we record that file is saved to a SharePoint location that is marked and approved as a PII/CUI document storage area. Same with Teams Team (what a mouthful...) channels; when created they can be configured as sufficiently "classified" and any document stashed there or chat that occurs is in a safe spot for data security requirements. Having it all integrated at an office suite level goes a long way to putting up guardrails and giving simple, clear instructions about "you must always / you may never". Again, zero insight into how that can be configured in a mixed environment, but it's something I have a lot of direct experience with, both on the proper configuration side as well as the... human foible side of things.
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    I always find it interesting to find out about "edge cases" (I know this is a huge area so probably doesn't fit the term), but to find out special requirements for Defense, legal, medical, etc.

    I remember that Wordperfect remained the "default" in legal well past when Word had taken over because it was better suited to the needs/requirements of lawyers/legal firms/etc. I imagine that isn't the case anymore, but it seemed to last a long time.

    As a side note---I really like Corel. So many great products and they just can't seem to do that well commercially. I think they really squander a few opportunities.
     
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    Echohead2 said:
    As a side note---I really like Corel. So many great products and they just can't seem to do that well commercially. I think they really squander a few opportunities.
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    Maybe because they have a confusing lineup of overlapping products?

    There's CorelDRAW, CorelDRAW Standard, and CorelDRAW essentials. Also, for vectors there's Corel Vector and Corel Designer.

    Or the (now defunct) Corel Office 5, which was based on ability office and did not read/write wordperfect files. Corel also produced the wordperfect suite at the same time.
     
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