June 27th US Presidential Debate Watch-Along

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    The first debate of the 2024 elections starts at 9 p.m. ET and will run for 90 minutes. It will be moderated by CNN’s Jake Tapper and Dana Bash and take place at the network’s studios in Atlanta.
    The debate will be available on CNN and the streaming platform Max, formerly known as HBO. Viewers without a cable login can watch on CNN’s website.


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v-8wJkmwBY


    This thread we'll discuss the run-up to the debate and then once its starts, we'll post any reactions we have during the debate and immediately after. This thread is to allow for quicker and shorter replies that may not be up to the standards of a post in a main topic thread.
    A day or two after the debate, any further discussion about topics from the debate should go back to the main thread ---> https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/the-2024-presidential-election-oops-we-did-it-again.1499331/
     
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    iPilot05 said:
    Maybe the broadcast networks will have live commentary from their anchors watching CNN at their own news desks?
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    Ahh.. I googled it.

    How to watch the presidential debate with cable​

    The debate will air on CNN, but the network is also allowing other broadcast and cable news networks to simulcast it. CBS will be among the networks simulcasting it.

    Where to stream the presidential debate​

    Those without a cable subscription can watch it online at CNN.com or streaming on CBS News 24/7 and CBSNews.com, where it will be simulcast.
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    (source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-biden-2024-first-debate-what-to-know/)
     
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    The rules for this debate are so strict (no coaching, no notes, mic closed when not speaking, no audience) that I can't believe Trump has agreed to it. And he said he did not prepare for it!

    Maybe he has really lost touch with reality this time, and think he's the bestest debater and will win it bigly with no effort.
     
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    I'm guessing he's privately preparing and publicly claiming he doesn't need to prepare. But what they're really hoping for is that Biden will stumble when he's not delivering a prepared speech. They don't need much of that to create clips for attack ads targeting people who didn't watch the debate. Everyone knows Trump is nuts, so rambling won't hurt him. New information moves markets, not repetition of things that are already widely known.
     
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    Soriak said:
    Everyone knows Trump is nuts, so rambling won't hurt him.
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    I’m not so sure. He’s had some ‘lost the plot’ moments on the campaign trail that have been qualitatively different then past rambling. They’re the kind of things that the true believers can look past, but he needs more than just true believers to win.

    He’s also not used to responding to clear, pointed questions. Rambling in a campaign speech doesn’t come off as evasive in the same way as rambling when asked to respond to a specific question.

    So while I doubt this debate will move the needle on the MAGA faithful, I do think there’s the potential for it to be impactful to the independents. And it goes both ways because there’s a certain amount of expectation built it. Trump could absolutely outperform expectations with the independents.
     
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    It's going to depend a LOT on the moderator. A strict, professional moderator who isn't going to allow non-answers or to digress into random other subjects, is going to be much worse from Trump than someone who will try to make sense of his rambling and accept his detours into totally unrelated subjects like electric boats and sharks.

    I know the Trump faithful will see a strict moderator as being super unfair to Trump, but they're going to think that no matter what, so who really cares. It's about showing the undecided and those who don't follow politics, not just how unfit Trump is, but also that he has NO coheret vision, no platform, no specific idea of what he wants the United States to be. And sure, they have the 2025 thing, but a) that's not going to sway moderates, and b) that isn't Trump, he most likely doesn't really care as long as he gets to stay out of prison and make people pay for mocking him.

    I'm DEFINITELY going to be watching the debate (but tomorrow morning, because it's on at 3 in the night where I live), but I don't really know what to expect, other than it'll be a clown show for sure because... it's Trump so of course it will.
     
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    wrylachlan said:
    I’m not so sure. He’s had some ‘lost the plot’ moments on the campaign trail that have been qualitatively different then past rambling. They’re the kind of things that the true believers can look past, but he needs more than just true believers to win.
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    If you're still open to voting for him at this point, that kind of thing clearly doesn't bother you.
     
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    schnackenpfefferhausen said:
    Is there no way to watch this aside from having a cable/streaming subscription to CNN?

    You’d think something of such importance would be broadcast freely for all..
    (I still haven’t cut the cord, so I’m fine.. it’s just the principle of the matter)
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    It's in the first post saying it will be streaming on their website for free. I'll edit the post with the direct link to the stream once it starts.
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    The rules for this debate are so strict (no coaching, no notes, mic closed when not speaking, no audience) that I can't believe Trump has agreed to it. And he said he did not prepare for it!
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    I just want to clarify that notes are allowed to be taken during the debate, they just can't bring in any notes.
     
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    Happysin said:
    I think we're in good hands with our moderators tonight: https://news.yahoo.com/news/presidential-debate-moderators-jake-tapper-173451500.html
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    The only thing I’m certain of about this debate is that the moderators will ask questions and manage the responses in such a way to make it seem like these are two legitimate, roughly equal, comparable candidates for this office. Rather than between a well-meaning civil servant from a bygone era and a malignant sociopath bent on revenge for entirely idiotic, fabricated grievances.

    The whole thing will present them to the public as being on equal footing. Rather than as between a regular person and a deranged lunatic.
     
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    Thank You and Best of Luck! said:
    The only thing I’m certain of about this debate is that the moderators will ask questions and manage the responses in such a way to make it seem like these are two legitimate, roughly equal, comparable candidates for this office. Rather than between a well-meaning civil servant from a bygone era and a malignant sociopath bent on revenge for entirely idiotic, fabricated grievances.

    The whole thing will present them to the public as being on equal footing. Rather than as between a regular person and a deranged lunatic.
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    Probably, but at least it doesn't matter. There will be a bajillion more news cycles between today and the election. The odds this debate has any meaningful impact are nil.
     
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    I think the tactic of just repeatedly reminding people that Trump is a felon isn't going to work. They already know that, they need to be told why its bad. "Donald Trump isn't a patriot, he defrauded our government for his own personal gain."
    Trump's lowest point in his presidency was when they tried to repeal the ACA. I think Biden needs to bring that back up, remind people what he tried to take away.
     
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    Thank You and Best of Luck! said:
    The only thing I’m certain of about this debate is that the moderators will ask questions and manage the responses in such a way to make it seem like these are two legitimate, roughly equal, comparable candidates for this office. Rather than between a well-meaning civil servant from a bygone era and a malignant sociopath bent on revenge for entirely idiotic, fabricated grievances.

    The whole thing will present them to the public as being on equal footing. Rather than as between a regular person and a deranged lunatic.
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    The moderators shouldn't inject themselves in any way that colors the debate. They should treat this as neutral ground where their only goal is to push for truthful answers and enforce debate rules. The candidates themselves should be the ones front and center, for better or worse.

    There's plenty of other platforms where the news should be loud and clear about Trump's raving lunacy, but the debate is absolutely not that.
     
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    Happysin said:
    I think we're in good hands with our moderators tonight: https://news.yahoo.com/news/presidential-debate-moderators-jake-tapper-173451500.html
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    I really hope so. If the debate gets into actual policy and platform (which it absolutely should, because that’s the entire point - to debate strengths and weaknesses of the respective platforms), Trump is going to be absolutely toast. He can’t speak authoritatively on ANYTHING, he doesn’t have facts, stats or reasoned arguments. Biden does this in his sleep, he knows the government and systems therein, inside and out.

    I just hope the moderator lets this disparity in knowledge and ability shine through instead of letting Trump get away with spewing made-up nonsense and “people say” bullshit like he always does.
     
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    Happysin said:
    The moderators shouldn't inject themselves in any way that colors the debate. They should treat this as neutral ground where their only goal is to push for truthful answers and enforce debate rules. The candidates themselves should be the ones front and center, for better or worse.
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    They've already backtracked on fact checking the candidates in real time, so that will help the GOP candidate.
     
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    karolus said:
    In this age of instant communication, there no doubt be others doing so. Whether some care to listen is another matter, though.
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    That's the whole point. If you don't fact check the candidates in real time at the point of broadcast, you're just allowing the candidates to lie.
     
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    Happysin said:
    There's plenty of other platforms where the news should be loud and clear about Trump's raving lunacy, but the debate is absolutely not that.
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    On one hand, you are right that the moderators should be neutral and focused on rules and the truth. On the other hand, they should also be showcasing what is there, and Trump's raving lunacy is likely to take up half the stage. As such, i'm not entirely sure that the debate isn't that...
     
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    Lt_Storm said:
    On one hand, you are right that the moderators should be neutral and focused on rules and the truth. On the other hand, they should also be showcasing what is there, and Trump's raving lunacy is likely to take up half the stage. As such, i'm not entirely sure that the debate isn't that...
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    Hah! To clarify, Trump should be able to showcase his own raving lunacy. The moderators should not interfere.
     
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    The buzz I’ve been seeing is that conservatives are preparing to spread the rumor that Biden is hopped up on stimulants and Adderall, that sort of stuff.

    I think the plan is, when Trump rants incoherently and then falls asleep, and Biden acts like a normal old guy, they’ll say this is evidence that he’s on Dark Brandon Super Brain Cocktail.

    As always with this stuff, I have no idea what the standards are for a good performance, as I can’t imagine the mind-landscape of somebody who’s still undecided.
     
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    breze said:
    The buzz I’ve been seeing is that conservatives are preparing to spread the rumor that Biden is hopped up on stimulants and Adderall, that sort of stuff.

    I think the plan is, when Trump rants incoherently and then falls asleep, and Biden acts like a normal old guy, they’ll say this is evidence that he’s on Dark Brandon Super Brain Cocktail.

    As always with this stuff, I have no idea what the standards are for a good performance, as I can’t imagine the mind-landscape of somebody who’s still undecided.
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    Preparing? They've been yelling it for weeks, months if you count SotU reaction. They're also laying groundwork to claim the whole thing was rigged against him from the outset.

    They're readying as many excuses as possible so they can choose whichever one us most convenient when Trump either bails or flyby the debate.
     
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    TSBasilisk said:
    Preparing? They've been yelling it for weeks, months if you count SotU reaction. They're also laying groundwork to claim the whole thing was rigged against him from the outset.

    They're readying as many excuses as possible so they can choose whichever one us most convenient when Trump either bails or flyby the debate.
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    Thing is, if Biden performs as well as they clearly fear, people with eyes are going to see that. These constant prevarications are good to keep the base engaged, but it's going to fall flat everywhere else.
     
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    The conservative position on Biden's mental health is that he's a doddering old fool who can barely feed himself, but there exists a Magic Elixir which causes his mental acuity and energy to reach impressive levels. And, for reasons which curiously are never stated, this Magic Elixir is only deployed once or twice a year instead of, you know, on a daily basis.

    (Values for "Magic Elixir" have included Adderall, Red Bull, caffeine in general, undefined stimulants, etc. We're not talking QAnon-esque made-from-distilled-baby whatever that stuff was. At least not yet. Give it a week or two)
     
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    Because of course the US government will have spent years and billions of dollars to develop a magic anti-dementia serum in absolute secrecy, just for this moment.

    But you know, I say let the MAGA types talk like that. It just gets more and more comical the farther they try to contort reality to fit their conspiracy theories. We don't need them, we need independents to win. Hopefully a few of them see all this as the joke that it is.
     
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    I will eat humble pie at this point, because when Biden issued his debate challenge a while back, I predicted that Trump would come up with some premise to bail on them. Guess I was wrong.

    Not actually going to watch tonight. I was an inveterate NPR listener for a decade and then I reflexively started changing the station any time I heard Trump's voice. My hatred of being exposed to anything that man says is visceral.
     
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    Happysin said:
    I think we're in good hands with our moderators tonight: https://news.yahoo.com/news/presidential-debate-moderators-jake-tapper-173451500.html
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    I hope they'll behave professionally and objectively, and not inject their own opinions into the discussion. They're moderators, not debaters.
    We'll see how it goes. The Trump side has already chummed the waters looking for an excuse in case he loses the debate. I hope they don't give them any ammunition to legitimately make that argument.
     
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