Forza Horizon 5

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It's coming on the 9th of November and is set in Mexico!

From the announcement post:

Players will get the chance to traverse some of the most diverse landscapes ever seen in a Forza Horizon title including a living desert, a dense jungle, and an active volcano in an authentic and vibrant depiction of Mexico.

Get ready for the return of seasons, first introduced in Forza Horizon 4. Only this time, you’ll feel its impact in unprecedented ways. Each of the eleven biomes found on the new map will be uniquely affected by the change in seasons. So that means if you’re deep in the jungle during spring, expect heavy rainfall, but during the dry season you’ll be able to access and explore areas you can’t reach any other time. No two seasons will ever be the same.

You can also expect powerful, all-new graphical features like HDR captures of the vibrant Mexican sky, sweeping vistas, and an unparalleled attention to detail. Available in 4K 30 FPS on the Xbox Series X (1080p 30 FPS on Xbox Series S) with an optional 60 FPS performance mode, and ray tracing added to cars in Forzavista, you will be immersed in the open world of Horizon like never before.

The Festival starts November 9th. However, if you purchase the Premium Edition, you’ll get a jump on the Festival traffic with Early Access starting November 5th. Experience Forza Horizon 5 on Xbox Series X|S, Xbox One, Windows 10, Steam, Xbox Game Pass, and Android phones and tablets via Xbox Cloud Gaming. Players can choose from Standard, Deluxe, and Premium versions of the game. Xbox Game Pass players will have access to the Standard version, and if they purchase the Premium Add-Ons Bundle they can enjoy all the great DLC in the Premium version of the game, including Early Access.

Pretty excited for this, and I'm very interested to see how different it'll be graphically on the Xbox Series X with ray tracing at 30fps versus without at 60fps (I have zero experience with ray tracing so far, being a filthy console gamer and never having owned any sort of gaming PC).
 

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I'm not up on the latest and great PC games so the is probably at least partially my own ignorance showing, but that Forza 5 trailer was the most graphically impressive game I've ever seen. Genuinely stunning. Really looking forward to trying this one in November. Also, have they clarified the graphics modes? I know they said there will be 30 and 60 FPS modes, but they didn't say what sacrifices they'll use to pull it off. Some games have simply used ray tracing as the toggle, but at least on the PS5 side there have been several that have used a combination of lower resolution and reduced LoD and object density to make up the difference whill=e keeping some ray tracing on.
 

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Extensive interview over at Eurogamer with one of the leads from a knowledgeable and obviously passionate fan of the series. Covers a lot of ground from how they picked Mexico, to how they'll avoid getting overly-stereotyped, to lessons learned from Forza 4 with progression, easing players into the game, and multiple. Plus lots of other stuff. It's a great read.

Also at Eugogamer, Digital Foundry has a brief breakdown of the various modes as well as some ideas about how they'll scale the game all the way down tot he base Xbox One. Basically Playground is claiming that both 30 and 60 FPS modes will be full 4K on Series X and 1080p on Series S, with the differences down to graphical effects and level of detail (as previously mentioned ray tracing will only be seen during Forzavision). Interestingly they do mention that the engine now supports dynamic resolution scaling, but it's unclear how much this is going to be used as some statements give the impression that resolution will be fixed. There's more speculation here and less that's known, but still worth skimming.
 

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This is fantastic:

On that point - a part of the spirit of Forza Horizon is providing recognisable virtual tourism to people, right? But you also want to avoid falling into stereotypes - which is easy enough to do when you're portraying the UK, you live here. But when you're tackling a culture like Mexico's, how do you get that balance right?

Mike Brown: It's a great question, and I think there's an answer that will touch on a few different areas of Mexican culture. The answer is - we're a UK developer, a predominantly British team, and so we need to work with people from Mexico. From the very start, on our research trips we were working with locals who were from Mexico, who were actually photographers, but they really knew their local areas, they knew the sights, they knew the things that were the most beautiful things in their region of Mexico, and they were able to act as something of a tour guide for us and help us to explore and find all these amazing things. That helps us explore the world and make sure we're representing it, and make sure that the things that Mexicans would want the world to see, we're putting in the game.

As well as that, though, as I touched on, there's this really broad and beautiful culture of Mexico. So we've worked with Mexican artists as well - we saw one of the murals in the gameplay demo during the E3 showcase. There's quite a few of those all over the world, and all of them have been created for us by various Mexican artists. We've worked with Mexican musicians, so we've got some original compositions by Mexican artists on the soundtrack. We've also licensed some existing Mexican music as well so that each of the radio stations has some Mexican music on there to give it a really strong flavor. And finally, we've worked with Mexican scriptwriters and Mexican voice actors so that we can be sure that all of our Mexican characters don't sound stereotyped and sound really authentic.
 

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My daughter is worried because she doesn't know how to drive on the right side of the road.
Then drive on the left!
:D


Yeah, absolutely. It's Forza Horizon. The lines on the road are not really anything more than suggestions, anyhow. :D

I wasn't sure on Mexico at first, but the more I see on it and think about it, the more I like it. It should be another really great game. Horizon just keeps on being the gold standard of arcade racers, and it doesn't look like that is going to end anytime soon. Heck, Horizon 4 is still really active for being as old as it is. There's never a time I've seen that it's hard to get matchmaking.

I watch my son play Horizon 4 now and then. It's almost a whole separate game from how I play. He hardly ever even does an actual race, but loves running around between all the specials, PR stunts, Playground Games and just generally clowning around in the environment. There's a whole lot of different stuff for different people.
 

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My daughter is worried because she doesn't know how to drive on the right side of the road.
Then drive on the left!
:D
Yeah, absolutely. It's Forza Horizon. The lines on the road are not really anything more than suggestions, anyhow. :D
I think it's more about oncoming traffic. It is funny, though. Her entire driving experience has been in FH3 and FH4. If they'd gone to Japan instead of Mexico, she'd probably fail driver's training in a couple years.
 

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Haha, no, I mean the 2TB storage expansion. :)

Yah, I know the feeling. I'm getting nervous about that. Between MLB The Show 21, Flight Simulator 2020, and that... The XBSX fast storage looks to fill quickly. I may have to move Horizon 4 out. (Or just admit defeat and get the 2TB expansion card.) At least the older XB1 and 1X enhanced games work fine from my old USB drive. So I only have to keep the Series X games in fast storage.
 

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I've preordered the Premium Edition. As I assume most of us posting in the thread will have done.

On that note, the 3 edition pricing seems even more stupid than FH3 or FH4...
  • €60 Gets you the Standard Edition: Just Forza Horizon 5, available from day 1 via GamePass
  • €90 Gets you the Deluxe Edition: Horizon 5 plus the Car Pass (42 DLC cars, given over 30 weeks, not yet priced stand-alone)
  • €100 Gets you the Premium Edition: Horizon 5, Car Pass, VIP (€15), Welcome Pack (€5), Expansion Packs 1 & 2 (not yet priced)
Is there anybody who would spend the €30 for DLC cars but not spend the €10 extra to get both expansions, VIP and Welcome Pack?

And given that you get to play FH5 Standard Edition with Game Pass from day 1, how many people will actually buy anything other than the Premium Edition?
 

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I've preordered the Premium Edition. As I assume most of us posting in the thread will have done.
I have Game Pass, so I'm not buying any standalone edition. I was considering getting the premium add-ons pack for $45, but I remembered that I bought the expansion passes for FH3 and FH4 on sale for $17.50/ea and didn't think they were worth it. I think I'll skip it. The core game is probably more than enough.
 

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I've preordered the Premium Edition. As I assume most of us posting in the thread will have done.
I have Game Pass, so I'm not buying any standalone edition. I was considering getting the premium add-ons pack for $45, but I remembered that I bought the expansion passes for FH3 and FH4 on sale for $17.50/ea and didn't think they were worth it. I think I'll skip it. The core game is probably more than enough.

Ah thanks for the info. I didn't realize you could buy all the Premium extras without owning the base game. I guess this is the new model for how to encourage upsell for game pass subscribers...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/forza ... z0sr207mg8 does indeed include everything that the Premium Edition gets, so there are no downsides as long as you remain a game pass subscriber.

What happens if you stop your gamepass subscription? Presumably the add ons bundle is then unusable until you either buy the base game or resubscribe?
 

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On that note, the 3 edition pricing seems even more stupid than FH3 or FH4...
  • €60 Gets you the Standard Edition: Just Forza Horizon 5, available from day 1 via GamePass
  • €90 Gets you the Deluxe Edition: Horizon 5 plus the Car Pass (42 DLC cars, given over 30 weeks, not yet priced stand-alone)
  • €100 Gets you the Premium Edition: Horizon 5, Car Pass, VIP (€15), Welcome Pack (€5), Expansion Packs 1 & 2 (not yet priced)
Is there anybody who would spend the €30 for DLC cars but not spend the €10 extra to get both expansions, VIP and Welcome Pack?

And given that you get to play FH5 Standard Edition with Game Pass from day 1, how many people will actually buy anything other than the Premium Edition?
So I checked on Steam. In the US at least its $60/$80/$100

Which makes slightly more sense

I bought the expansion passes for FH3 and FH4 on sale for $17.50/ea and didn't think they were worth it. I think I'll skip it. The core game is probably more than enough.

Never played FH4 but I thought the expansions for FH3 were pretty awesome since they both required new driving styles
 

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Never played FH4 but I thought the expansions for FH3 were pretty awesome since they both required new driving styles

FH4 was really good. Bigger than 3, more varied scenery. Lots of interesting forest dirt trails and generally more focus on interesting off-road driving, plus some improved game mode: My favourite is being able to use any car class on any event, that works really well. Also seasons are a nice twist, since you get to drive the whole map dry, wet and completely snowed under.

The FH4 expansions were reasonable but probably not as good as FH3: Treasure Island was a nice environment with hills and hairpins, focusing on massive drifting challenges and trailblazing cross-country over the map. The Lego expansion was silly but still quite fun to do, although it didn't bring anything new in terms of driving styles.


Either way, you can't go wrong giving it a try - it's a must for a Forza fan. FH4 is included in GamePass, which is €1 for the first month, so you can easily give it a go if you have time. Call it an appetizer for FH5.
 

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Either way, you can't go wrong giving it a try - it's a must for a Forza fan. FH4 is included in GamePass, which is €1 for the first month, so you can easily give it a go if you have time. Call it an appetizer for FH5.
Did they ever fix the drifting?

I was decent at it in FH1 and the Gymkhana in Dirt 3 but couldn't drift to save my life in FH3

FH4 looks cool but I don't really have time for it right now and I'm not on GamePass.
 

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Either way, you can't go wrong giving it a try - it's a must for a Forza fan. FH4 is included in GamePass, which is €1 for the first month, so you can easily give it a go if you have time. Call it an appetizer for FH5.
Did they ever fix the drifting?

I was decent at it in FH1 and the Gymkhana in Dirt 3 but couldn't drift to save my life in FH3

FH4 looks cool but I don't really have time for it right now and I'm not on GamePass.

I found FH3 drifting with the wheel was tricky, but using the controller was a lot easier. In the end I played FH3 and FH4 almost entirely with the controller since it's clearly intended to be played that way. I managed to get all stars for drifting events in FH3, FH4 and all their expansions, so clearly even with my crappy controller skills it's not too difficult.

I didn't notice any real differences between FH3 and FH4 drifting, to be honest.
 

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I found FH3 drifting with the wheel was tricky, but using the controller was a lot easier. In the end I played FH3 and FH4 almost entirely with the controller since it's clearly intended to be played that way. I managed to get all stars for drifting events in FH3, FH4 and all their expansions, so clearly even with my crappy controller skills it's not too difficult.

I tried both as well. Drifting with the wheel was hopeless and frankly I passed on a lot of those challenges

Regular racing with the wheel wasn't bad once I got it dialed in (Logitech G920, PC)
 

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Just to clarify, I thought all of the expansions were good and, at least for what I paid for them, not overpriced. I just didn't get much out of them. I think Blizzard Mountain was the only one I really put significant time into. I kept just going back to the base games, even though I had unfinished events and achievements available in the expansions.

That said, it's my birthday the weekend before FH5 releases and the premium pass provides early access. I may feel like paying for it just so I can sit around drinking beer and crashing cars all weekend.
 

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So a bunch of youtubers got early access to FH5, and have been spewing videos of all kinds of things.

The new tuning system which allows you to rev the engine after each part change to confirm the sound is pretty neat. I can see loads of people suddenly spending a whole bunch more time tuning now, not just aimed at PI but aimed at making the car sound better :D

Also.. the roadside object density looks amazing, especially in 4k. A clear step up from FH4.