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    We bought a LED pendant light, and it turns out that it hangs too high for our tastes.

    Rather than sending it back, I figured getting a longer cable would be easy enough. (Famous last words...)

    This lamp uses a special coaxial cable to hang. Picture 1/16" wire rope with a really thin (~24 AWG?) insulated core. That single cable provides both suspension and power.


    I've been googling for a while, and I'm coming up completely empty here.

    The closest thing I've found is : https://www.griplocksystems.com/landing ... qs-solimar

    Unfortunately that company is unresponsive :(



    If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd greatly appreciate it!


    Edit: Added images

    Image 1: There are four cords here (It's a four-light pendant) Here you see the metal cladding, and once peeled back, the white-insulated core (Used as the positive and negative feeds)
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    Image 2: Size for reference vs US Quarter coin. The light silver cables are plain wire rope for suspension. The golden ones are the ones I'm looking for.
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    OK, that's NOT Coax. If it was, you'd have a dielectric layer between the weaved shield and the solid or stranded core central conductor - that's regular insulation wrapped in a conductive ground/shield for visual aspects, not for any functionality. This is known as "braided single conductor" cable.


    So, this is probably more what you're looking for:

    https://www.amazon.com/Gavitt-Single-Co ... B00IXPXEN4
     
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    I have used hanging lamps before but not LED. They typically had just a steel cable for the weight and a regular cable for the bulb socket. So if you can handle two cables aesthetically, just use a separate steel cable for the weight. You can get different cables in different thicknesses and in different colors.

    For example, like this: https://www.westelm.com/products/short- ... xUQAvD_BwE

    You can see in one of the product pictures the two separate cables.
     
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    What you are looking for is called "SVT wire", or commonly sold as "pendant wire". It is specifically designed to be round and look good exposed. I know EXACTLY what wire you are looking for (that has foil or braid on the outside under a clear jacket, with the 2 current wires inside), but I've never seen it sold in bulk. There is VERY similar wire, though that is available:

    https://www.nostalgicbulbs.com/collecti ... -lamp-wire
     
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    Oh great. That was the only thing keeping lensam69 going! Hope you're happy Mr "Pendant Wire" pants :p

    But I wouldn't want you to feel responsible so I will say give Mendelsons a call. They're decent folks and sell/have sold a pretty diverse amount of electronics for thirty years that I've seen them set up the mega tent at the Dayton Hamfest. The actual store I'm told would blow my mind but it's Dayton so everything can be really really big compared to East/west coast. Anyway worth a try.
     
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    Guys. GUYS. GUYS. You left me hanging! I, too, am in the exact same position as lensam69. But did you ever come up with a solution? The problem I'm having with the suggested links is that they don't say whether they're a dual-wire coax or single. The wire I need is dual has a tin wire center, with a nylon insulator over that, then a braided tin wire over that, and the whole thing incase in clear plastic. The whole thing is only about 3/16" (or about 8 mm) thick. Can anyone ID a suitable replacement?

    Pleeeeeaaaaaassssssse?
     
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    flatwaterpaul said:
    Guys. GUYS. GUYS. You left me hanging! I, too, am in the exact same position as lensam69. But did you ever come up with a solution? The problem I'm having with the suggested links is that they don't say whether they're a dual-wire coax or single. The wire I need is dual has a tin wire center, with a nylon insulator over that, then a braided tin wire over that, and the whole thing incase in clear plastic. The whole thing is only about 3/16" (or about 8 mm) thick. Can anyone ID a suitable replacement?

    Pleeeeeaaaaaassssssse?
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    If it is in fact Griplock Rincon, mere mortals can't buy it; they only sell to OEMs to integrate into their products: https://griplocksystems.com/product/rin ... ion-system

    There are also a couple patents on their specific cable design, so you're unlikely to find anything quite identical, at least from US-based sources (I wouldn't rule out some Chinese knockoff being available through AliExpress or whatever, but I'm not going to take the time to find it).
     
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  • #19
    Any reason a lamp can't be rewired with standard round pendant wire? What's so special about Grip-lock's product? They both seem to be round and have a metallic foil under a clear outer sheath. Whether there are 2 wires or 1 under that sheath shouldn't make a difference, should it? You can even get pendant wire with colored sheathing or even various woven options.
     
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    Ok found the EXACT cable, problem is its in japan and sold nowhere, but at least now we have a name and model number to look for:

    here it is:
    http://www.sanyo-denko.co.jp/en/product ... ion-cable/

    Sanyo-Denko: SDL-HT1 High-tension small-diameter cable for Indoor

    but unless someone lives in japan or can get this resold on amazon (they would make a killing, i know id buy at least 1000ft spools, 5 of em) were SOL.

    The only similar option i've found for sale is this:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0854HNZ92/

    Super expensive and you have to cut the ends, etc, but its clear colored and will do the job

    Also options are:
    https://www.stewmac.com/electronics/com ... -feet.html
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076ZS259S/

    I bought that as well and tested it, and although expensive it will do if nothing else.

    Other Mechanically sound options are:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0848T9L1G/
    Problem with this one is that its TAN like all the other antenna cables, center conductor is solid and requires welding for best connection, and its expensive

    I've found some Chinese Alibaba sellers that sell this cable in clear but that and nothing is the same thing.

    Of course none of these options would be up to any sort of electrical or fire code, but with LEDs being 12-24v and only 5-30w in power it should be safe enough, if you want to be EXTRA safe install a 30A mini car-type fuse right after your power supply and you are good to go

    If anyone has any other options by all means I'm still looking for a proper solution for this.

    Ill keep posting as I find more.
     
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    Cool Modine said:
    All of that pushback wire looks uninsulated on the outside. Even at 12-24V, I'd still want that insulated for safety. If you really need 5000 feet of the stuff I'm sure you could order directly from Sanyo-Denko.
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    Considering that their usual lot sizes appear to be 50-100M for MoQ, I would say that even 1K feet would be enough for them to work with you, although they may want you to use a Japanese freight forwarder, but thanks to Anime-merch enthusiasts, those are pretty common and easily found.
     
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  • #29
    I have light fixtures with a very similar cable, but mine have no outer insulating sheath, just braided metal. I can't believe that no one sells this kind of wire online and that this thread is the best resource I've found yet.

    Did anyone try ordering the Rincon cable? It looks like they only sell a minimum of $100 per order, so it would be expensive for my small job. I think I only need 25' to handle all the fixtures in my kitchen. The guitar cable looks like it would do the trick, but I am not sure it could handle the heat from my halogen light bulbs.
     
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    ZoomZoomNH said:
    I have light fixtures with a very similar cable, but mine have no outer insulating sheath, just braided metal. I can't believe that no one sells this kind of wire online and that this thread is the best resource I've found yet.

    Did anyone try ordering the Rincon cable? It looks like they only sell a minimum of $100 per order, so it would be expensive for my small job. I think I only need 25' to handle all the fixtures in my kitchen. The guitar cable looks like it would do the trick, but I am not sure it could handle the heat from my halogen light bulbs.
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    It's not designed/intended for anything but LEDs, from what I see. Mostly from a power-draw perspective, rather than a heat I suspect.

    So if you have a suspended light with halogen, it's using some other kind of wiring, even if the end result visually is similar.
     
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