Congrats ARS on reaching #1 in DC-Vault ranking!<BR>As Beyond put it:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Yesterday we were the arrow, but now we're the target </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>DC-Vault Scores <BR> The DC-Vault Perpetual Thread (Part 2)
[ARS] The DC-Vault Perpetual Thread (Part 3) - Runaway Target
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Congrats, we reached Top 10 in ABC@Home<br>Our current production level is in 3rd place, however we need to increase our crunching power 10 fold just to match the output of the top 2 teams -- View image here: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/forum/smilies/devious.gif --
Woot! -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif --<br><br>I've got ABC and SIMAP at higher priority right now; with Spinhenge, Nanohive, and Malariacontrol all lower (as well as Riesel on the fastest box), and doing a little bit of MJ12 on an older box. Always open to suggestions on what might be better places to concentrate!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dark Star:<BR> Always open to suggestions on what might be better places to concentrate! </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>No complaints about how you've got it now, just wanted to mention we could use a little more production on proteins@home - its one of the low-hanging-fruit projects (none of the other teams are putting up huge numbers now)
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Odessit:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">proteins@home </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What is the best CPU for this project? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Outlnder reports "XPs are faster than P4s and X2s are faster per core than XPs." (One of his is in the top 5 fastest machines)
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<br><br>No complaints about how you've got it now, just wanted to mention we could use a little more production on proteins@home - its one of the low-hanging-fruit projects (none of the other teams are putting up huge numbers now) </div>
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<br><br>There are some DCVault points available with the RieselSieve Boinc effort, which I think could be run up much faster than many of the other boinc projects. We still need to work at keeping the DCV points up in the areas that are most favorable to us. It's a project for amd cpu's for those of us that don't have a herd of powerPC's in our basement. -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --
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<br><br>No complaints about how you've got it now, just wanted to mention we could use a little more production on proteins@home - its one of the low-hanging-fruit projects (none of the other teams are putting up huge numbers now) </div>
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<br><br>There are some DCVault points available with the RieselSieve Boinc effort, which I think could be run up much faster than many of the other boinc projects. We still need to work at keeping the DCV points up in the areas that are most favorable to us. It's a project for amd cpu's for those of us that don't have a herd of powerPC's in our basement. -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --
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<br>But don't forget that with the new client available, you can put it on your BOINC PowerPC herd, too!! -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif --
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<br>But don't forget that with the new client available, you can put it on your BOINC PowerPC herd, too!! -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif --
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</blockquote>Hmm. It looks like LLR (available by clicking the "run test applications" box on the project preferences page) credits are also counted, at least if DCV counts them the same way BoincStats does, which means it might actually be a a good project for P4's and C2D's as well. Think I'll shift a bit over and join you for a while to see how it works out.
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</blockquote>Hmm. It looks like LLR (available by clicking the "run test applications" box on the project preferences page) credits are also counted, at least if DCV counts them the same way BoincStats does, which means it might actually be a a good project for P4's and C2D's as well. Think I'll shift a bit over and join you for a while to see how it works out.
I need help choosing a project for long term deployment. I have recieved the first 2 of 10 new Dell P4 D's, 8 more coming in next week for one of our satellite offices, and another 10 or 12 in mid to late March for another of our satellite offices. <BR><BR>The problem is I only visit these offices 2 or 3 times a year. Under normal circumstances I would just setup Dnet and let them run, but seeing as they are P4's (they would not be optimal for dnet, (I had no hand in the decision to buy Dell or P4's). So, basically I need a client that can be installed as a service with no interaction with the desktop, the client needs to run at lowest priority, will not interfer with real work and is SMP aware. I suppose the project servers having a high rate of uptime or proxy support is desirable as well. <BR><BR>Most likely, they will not run 24/7, but 8 to 10hrs a day could still be worth some points/credits.<BR><BR>Suggestions? <BR><BR>Tacos?
Until you said SMP capable, I would have gone with any of the LLRNet derivitives(?).<BR><BR>How about Riesel Sieve LLR?<BR><BR>Another that is SMP capable is PI Segment. But this might not be long term.
I guess SMP capable is not really a requirement. I have been looking at LLRNet, but did not see a native service install option?
I've not yet looked into LLRNET as a service properly, but it's probably doable using SrvAny if nothing else.<BR><BR>That said, BOINC would be a good fit because using an account manager like BAM you can change things like the projects you run remotely.<BR><BR>I've seen Pentium 4s and Ds get quite a lot of credit lately on ABC@Home and Nanohive. BOINC RieselSieve has an LLR app in testing as well.<BR><BR>Just a few disjoint thoughts. Not definitive, there will have been something I've overlooked.
All projects are in the 9,000 mark, except for PI Segment. Is this something we should work on for a week or two, or just let it go and we will eventually move up??
I guess it is worth hitting in the hope of speeding up the catching of teams 2 and 3 and keeping everyone else behind us.<BR><BR>I wouldn't recommend it to Phased_Array though because I don't know how long the project will be around, so he's probably best having something that prevents idleness.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phased_Array:<BR>I guess SMP capable is not really a requirement. I have been looking at LLRNet, but did not see a native service install option? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The LLRnet client Windows install download from RieselSieve project offers a service install as one of its options. http://stats.rieselsieve.com/download/llrnet-installer.exe Windows client (installer)<BR>If you want to run PSP llr instead of RS llr then change server= and port = in the config file before you start to<BR>server = "pspnet.no-ip.info"<BR>port = 12984
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phased_Array:<BR>I guess SMP capable is not really a requirement. I have been looking at LLRNet, but did not see a native service install option? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Another option would be to run RS BOINC LLR and PrimeGrid LLR with a BOINC service install. Nicely hidden, SMP capable, project priority can be adjusted from the web, and with 2 projects you'll probably never run out of work. To get the LLR WUs, just set "Run test applications?" to yes in the project preferences of each.
PA,<BR><BR>Might I suggest PSP - LLR as a service on those Intels. I think that's the next project to dominate, 10 computers there would make a difference.
Looks like there are a number of good projects to choose from. I hope to have the first 2 setup before end of work tomorrow, will test each project before full deployment.<BR><BR>Thanks for all the input.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">To get the LLR WUs, just set "Run test applications?" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>By the way, I've just verified a small bug in this.<BR><BR>If using a web account manager, the "Run Test Applications" setting gets overwritten any time you make any changes to the project (such as changing priority, etc.) from BAM. The only way to set the "Run Test Applications" flag back on afterward is via the project settings on the project's own page.<BR><BR>Otherwise, you'll end up running Sieve instead of LLR (okay for AMD CPUs, not good for Intels)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dark Star:<BR>If using a web account manager, the "Run Test Applications" setting gets overwritten any time you make any changes to the project (such as changing priority, etc.) from BAM. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Every time I used BAM I ran into some sort of bug,. Too bad, it was a good idea if it worked.
If you're running 64bit Linux, check out the 64bit client for ABC@Home. It's supposed to be about 3x faster with 3x the credit -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif -- <br>Think I may have to get Ubuntu running, unless someone who knows Linux has a better suggestion...<br><br>Here's the thread:<br>http://abcathome.com/forum_thread.php?id=47<br><br>Applications:<br>http://abcathome.com/apps.php
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beyond:<BR>Every time I used BAM I ran into some sort of bug,. Too bad, it was a good idea if it worked. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I'm with <B>Beyond</B> here. I really like the BAM concept, but it always seems like I end up chasing something. Has anyone tried any of the other account managers? Is Grid Republic the only other one? It doesn't look like it supports nearly as many projects, but I've never actually signed up with it.
A little bad news on a couple of the new projects: In PI Segment we've been doing great, now in 4th but will probably be bumped back into 5th by the end of the day. Our worst showing in the new projects is Spinhenge, where we just moved into 33rd, but will be losing places quickly at our current rate of production: <br><br>http://stats.free-dc.org/new/allteams.php?proj=spi<br>http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/teams.php?project=spin<br><br>Spinhenge is a project that a few additional machines could really turn around. WUs on my computers are running 37 - 52 minutes each and are trouble free. They do not checkpoint, so if you turn off the machine during a WU, it will restart from the beginning: not a huge negative since they're relatively short. Scoring is via the quorum of 3 method so an optimized BOINC manager gives very slightly higher points. If someone is into dominating a project, this might be a good choice -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --
I noticed that we could probably grab a couple of MoneyBee spots easily, which should be fairly rewarding Vault-wise, so I've restarted my hive. I'm going to leave them buzzing on this until the SIMAP WU's start flowing in a couple of days.
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Well, DC-Vault got around to eliminating some projects. We'd be in the lead in both Math and overall, if they had updated for the new PI Segment team name -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif --<br><br>Meanwhile, we're now in first place for the Bio projects -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif --
Wow, OK, well then, ummm, so...<BR><BR>What's the new strategy?<BR><BR>Push MoneyBee? Maj-12?
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State of the View image: http://members.arstechnica.com/x/egoforth/sheep-emoticon.gif :<BR><BR>If anyone is interested or inclined to run MoneyBee, it is fairly low maintenance, and has both Linux & Windows clients for x86. I don't have any SMP Windows environments, but with Linux you can just run multiple instances.<BR><BR>For the short-term, I'm going to have a couple of instances running, but fewer than I was planning a couple of days ago. I've fired up the vmplayers & put Pi Segment on (<B>everybody loves Pi/e!</B>). When the SIMAP units start flowing, everything that can runs it. I will also have to tone down some of my DIMES output while SIMAPping, but should be able to keep at least 100k/day, so we won't be in any danger of dropping spots. We can re-evaluate how to allocate my home farm after the SIMAP work is done, but I'd like to keep some D2OL going.<BR><BR>My net-attached PowerMac is going to stick with RS-BOINC, and my farms are going to be doing a mixture of RS-Sieve, PSP-Sieve and d.net OGR. If anyone has any preferences for mixtures on them, speak up. My only requirements for the farms are: no-net/sneaker-net, Linux/PPC64, low maintenance, controllable with shell scripts & cron jobs. There are some non-PPC boxen there, but not a lot; a mixture of Xeons and Opterons.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VJS:<BR>Which ones did they eliminate? And why? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>BBC Climate Experiment, LHC@Home, Red Library, Ubero and HashClash.<BR><BR>Basically the projects don't meet criteria for inclusion anymore. HashClash is currently completely offline, as is Red Library. BBC CE is not accepting new users and I think it's out of work now as well. Ubero doesn't have work I think, but even if it did, it's openly admitted to just throwing results away and LHC@Home isn't exporting stats just now and is basically all over the place.<BR><BR>I'm a bit unsure about the removal of LHC at this point in time, it's slowly getting back on track after it's move from CERN in Switzerland to Queen's in London. It's still around, but they feel it's not up to scratch at the moment. The others were dead basically and that means there's no real way of changing the scores for teams trying to climb in the Vault.
The removed projects dropped the Ars Technica team from 1st to 2nd, but they're missing the PI Segment scores also (at least 8571). When they get that fixed, it should move us back into first, both in the Math area and overall.
Most of my power is currently on SOB, but I've got a 64 bit Linux box that I can put on any project. I joined abc@home, but I can't get any work from the server. It may be that websense is blocking me (I'm on a University's network) or there could be a server problem. I hope it works later so I can put this 64 bit Linux box to work on helping with the vault.
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<br><br>Just when I <i>thought</i> you were going to be an easy overtake! -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif --<br><br>I'm to blame for the name change on Pi Segment. I pitched it and Accs did it. At the same time, I have a gauntlet post sent in to Palindrome to get posted on the front page. From now until the Ides of March we are asking for all extra cycles to dedicate to Pi Segment so that we can put XtremeSystems safely behind and hopefully close the gap on the Dutch Power Cows. That should really kick up our Vault score, too.
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<br><br>Just when I <i>thought</i> you were going to be an easy overtake! -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif --<br><br>I'm to blame for the name change on Pi Segment. I pitched it and Accs did it. At the same time, I have a gauntlet post sent in to Palindrome to get posted on the front page. From now until the Ides of March we are asking for all extra cycles to dedicate to Pi Segment so that we can put XtremeSystems safely behind and hopefully close the gap on the Dutch Power Cows. That should really kick up our Vault score, too.
Just put MoneyBee on 8 machines, I hope this gives us some movement.<BR><BR>We are finally catching up to some teams in Proteins@Home and should make an advance in Maj-12. I'm also pushing hard in PSP PRP, but it is a long term struggle.<BR><BR>I told Leavitron that I would put everything on PI if he did a write up, but it does appear that others are helping stave off Xtreme Systems.<BR><BR>It seems like almost every project is a priority. Should I stay where I am or do the Ides of March push with Leavitron??
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by outlnder:<BR>It seems like almost every project is a priority. Should I stay where I am or do the Ides of March push with Leavitron?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>If you were to do a 2-week push for PI Segment, it would give us a much-needed boost. You could then move resources to another project for a two-week boost, and so on.<BR><BR>I send the original write-up to Eric on Monday evening. He responded needing a paragraph on the project itself. I wrote that in and submitted Tuesday morning. Dunno when it's going to hit the news page. I guess if you see enough surge from others after the news post hits, you could bleed off to another project.<BR><BR>Right now I have all 6 of my machines running a good 12 hours a day. It's pushing my wife's patience I am sure with me being out of work right now. I don't know how long I can hold out my production, which has been as high as 66 WU in one of those 12 hour periods. I guess I am just saying that PI Segment really needs help to get out of reach of XtremeSystems and within reach of the Dutch Power Cows. As of this posting, XS is 15 WUs behind us, and DPC is 13,513 (no typo) WUs ahead of us.
SIMAP reminder: WU's start flowing today.<BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"><B>Project status</B><BR>Calculation of SIMAP updates is starting soon.<BR>The calculation of similarities and features of the approx. 200.000 new sequences imported in february from the databases Uniprot, Genbank and PDB, and the calculation of HMMPanther domains for all sequences in SIMAP will start in the evening of march 1st. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>The SIMAP servers are located in .de, so should be Real Soon Now.
