Laptop 2280 recommendations

Drizzt321 · Apr 3, 2024

So my Framework 16 is (assuming no major delays from the earthquake) likely to be getting to me in a 5-6 weeks. Yay! But I'm going to buy a new SSD for it. Debating between 2TB and 4TB. Upon thinking about it, one of my evaluation criteria should probably be power efficiency/usage. Specifically idle, since hopefully most of the time it's not really reading/writing much, with Read/Write needing to be not too high, but doesn't have to be "the best". And specifically PCIe 4, the FW is PCIe 4 SSD slot, and the PCIe 5 are all pretty hot and power hungry anyways.

Unfortunately, doesn't seem to be many 4TB with pretty good idle power consumption and general good performance. TeamGroup MP44 4TB seems to be one, the Samsung 990 Pro 4TB is pretty high, so that's out. Any others?

For 2TB, the market is a lot bigger.

Solidigm P44 Pro 2TB seems real good, and stays fairly cool. Likewise the SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB, the Samsung 990 Pro 2TB comes into play as well, maybe, although seems to be a touch less power efficient at idle as the others.

I'm also contemplating getting a 2230 as well, go wild with a mirror on a 2TB 2230 and 2TB (possibly out of 4TB if I get a 4TB) on the 2280, and then 2TB on the 2280 as "misc stuff I can lose".

That said....that's a bit crazy, and more expensive. The crazy part doesn't dissuade me, but extra cost, and the fact that I'm going for 2x48GB which costs a fair bit, does. Also...I currently have a 2TB and I'm not really feeling the pinch. So maybe I should just go for a 2TB. Unless someone wants to sponsor me doing crazy with ZFS on Linux with a 2230 2TB, 2280 4TB? =D

ant1pathy · Apr 3, 2024

What percentage of the TDP is the storage? I can't imagine it's more than a rounding error compared to the screen, wireless, and chipset.

Drizzt321 · Apr 3, 2024

ant1pathy said:
What percentage of the TDP is the storage? I can't imagine it's more than a rounding error compared to the screen, wireless, and chipset.

Talking idle of over 1W with the 4TB 990 Pro, I think Toms had ~1.1W. The other ones are in the vicinity of 0.5-0.7W. So big difference.

And yes, it's a fairly small amount, but it's something in my control that can potentially give me non-trivial amount of extra time. 1.1W over, say, 5 hours is 5.5Wh, which is ~6.47% of the total battery. If it's 0.7W, that's 3.5Wh, reducing it to ~4.1%. Not a rounding error. Not huge, but not a rounding error for sure.

Of course, it doesn't spend all it's time at idle, although I anticipate it mostly, unless I'm doing significant reads/writes it'll be at or near idle. Hopefully.

Ardax · Apr 3, 2024

Drizzt321 said:
Solidigm P44 Pro 2TB seems real good, and stays fairly cool. Likewise the SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB

Solidigm is the result of the SK Hynix and Intel flash businesses merging/partnering up. The P44 Pro is a newer version of the Platinum P41.

That said, in a laptop I prefer optimizing for power usage at idle and under load over raw performance.

So yeah, the primary drive in my laptop is a 2 TB P44 Pro and the secondary is a SK Hynix Gold P31. I carried the P31 over from my last laptop and had the extra slot.

Drizzt321 · Apr 3, 2024

Ardax said:
Solidigm is the result of the SK Hynix and Intel flash businesses merging/partnering up. The P44 Pro is a newer version of the Platinum P41.

That said, in a laptop I prefer optimizing for power usage at idle and under load over raw performance.

So yeah, the primary drive in my laptop is a 2 TB P44 Pro and the secondary is a SK Hynix Gold P31. I carried the P31 over from my last laptop and had the extra slot.

Nice to hear you're happy about the P44 Pro. I hadn't heard of them until I started doing some research on SSDs on power consumption and saw it mentioned. Wish they had a 4TB version, because Moar Storage!, but I can get a 2230 if I need more later on, shouldn't be that big a deal. I think that might be the one, unless someone comes up with another option.

I also saw some deep reviews saying the P44 Pro tended to operate a lot cooler than something like the 990 Pro. Which is also important. Even in a regular computer case with AIO and not a ton of airflow, there's a lot more air in there, and more air movement, than a there is in a laptop slot compartment.

continuum · Apr 3, 2024

Drizzt321 said:
Talking idle of over 1W with the 4TB 990 Pro, I think Toms had ~1.1W. The other ones are in the vicinity of 0.5-0.7W. So big difference.

Is that with ASPM/LPM power management enabled or without? I think that's without...

Samsung 990 Pro 4TB Review: The Best Gets Bigger

Samsung bulks up its fastest SSD.

www.tomshardware.com

Hmmm. Solidigm P44 Pro might be a tad better.

Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB Review

Samsung 990 Pro is the company's flagship M.2 NVMe SSD. Compared to the 980 Pro, it comes with an improved controller and more modern flash. Our review confirms: this is the fastest PCI-Express 4.0 drive you can buy right now, beating the competition from WD, Phison and Solidigm.

www.techpowerup.com

Drizzt321 · Apr 3, 2024

continuum said:
Is that with ASPM/LPM power management enabled or without? I think that's without...

Samsung 990 Pro 4TB Review: The Best Gets Bigger

Samsung bulks up its fastest SSD.

www.tomshardware.com

Hmmm. Solidigm P44 Pro might be a tad better.

Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB Review

Samsung 990 Pro is the company's flagship M.2 NVMe SSD. Compared to the 980 Pro, it comes with an improved controller and more modern flash. Our review confirms: this is the fastest PCI-Express 4.0 drive you can buy right now, beating the competition from WD, Phison and Solidigm.

www.techpowerup.com

Ah, I was mostly looking at the TomsHardware, which is with power management turned off.

Since the TechPowerUp, which I checked, doesn't have P44 Pro power data https://www.techpowerup.com/review/solidigm-p44-pro-2-tb-1-tb/

Except...looking again at the 990 Pro one you linked, they DO have that data in there, with and without power management. Good catch! Except it's the 1TB version, not 2TB so hard to compare exactly. But, I can't imagine that it'll be that much more power at idle, especially with power savings.

Thanks for that, I think decision made, provided nobody comes into something else, the P44 Pro 2TB seems like a great bet. Although I suppose I could go last generation, the 980 Pro (1TB) idle seems ludicrously low. I think the 980 Pro 2TB might be double sided, so the P44 is better, since at 2TB it's still single sided. Which is important if I want to get a 2230 SSD in the future, in terms of space available to fit them both.

continuum · Apr 4, 2024

Drizzt321 said:
Since the TechPowerUp, which I checked, doesn't have P44 Pro power data

Solidigm P44 Pro power data is in other, newer reviews with updated charts, i.e. their latest Crucial T500 review.

Crucial T500 2 TB Review

Crucial's T500 SSD comes at competitive pricing and still includes a preinstalled heatsink and a dedicated DRAM cache chip. It sees strong competition from drives like the Lexar NM790 which are similarly priced, but offer slightly higher performance.

www.techpowerup.com

Drizzt321 · Apr 4, 2024

continuum said:
Solidigm P44 Pro power data is in other, newer reviews with updated charts, i.e. their latest Crucial T500 review.

Crucial T500 2 TB Review

Crucial's T500 SSD comes at competitive pricing and still includes a preinstalled heatsink and a dedicated DRAM cache chip. It sees strong competition from drives like the Lexar NM790 which are similarly priced, but offer slightly higher performance.

www.techpowerup.com

It does? Trying to look at the chart, don't see the P44 Pro 2TB.

Although that T500 2TB is impressively low idle with power savings.

continuum · Apr 4, 2024

There’s the 1TB, not the 2TB. Gotta take what you can get sometimes!

ant1pathy · Apr 4, 2024

Drizzt321 said:
Talking idle of over 1W with the 4TB 990 Pro, I think Toms had ~1.1W. The other ones are in the vicinity of 0.5-0.7W. So big difference.

And yes, it's a fairly small amount, but it's something in my control that can potentially give me non-trivial amount of extra time. 1.1W over, say, 5 hours is 5.5Wh, which is ~6.47% of the total battery. If it's 0.7W, that's 3.5Wh, reducing it to ~4.1%. Not a rounding error. Not huge, but not a rounding error for sure.

Of course, it doesn't spend all it's time at idle, although I anticipate it mostly, unless I'm doing significant reads/writes it'll be at or near idle. Hopefully.

How interesting! That's, like, an order of magnitude greater than I though idle solid state memory would consume. Heck, I anticipated it being nearly inert without I/O traffic.

Drizzt321 · Apr 4, 2024

ant1pathy said:
How interesting! That's, like, an order of magnitude greater than I though idle solid state memory would consume. Heck, I anticipated it being nearly inert without I/O traffic.

Well, as continuum pointed out that's with power management turned OFF. With it turned on its much lower. Look. At the charts at https://www.techpowerup.com/review/crucial-t500-2-tb/7.html.

It's still about 0.5W for the 990 Pro 2TB. That's still quite high as far as things go, for a laptop.

ant1pathy · Apr 4, 2024

Drizzt321 said:
Well, as continuum pointed out that's with power management turned OFF. With it turned on its much lower. Look. At the charts at https://www.techpowerup.com/review/crucial-t500-2-tb/7.html.

It's still about 0.5W for the 990 Pro 2TB. That's still quite high as far as things go, for a laptop.

TIL, thank you

. What are the higher power draw drives doing with that energy, especially in idle state? The 980 Pro 1TB drawing .032W vs the 990 Pro 2TB drawing .544, that's a 17x difference!

Drizzt321 · Apr 4, 2024

ant1pathy said:
TIL, thank you . What are the higher power draw drives doing with that energy, especially in idle state? The 980 Pro 1TB drawing .032W vs the 990 Pro 2TB drawing .544, that's a 17x difference!

Yup. A small bit might be explained by the 1TB->2TB, but most of it is likely an upgraded/newer controller chip/DRAM. Most likely tuned more for performance than power savings, and who knows what the process it was made on. Could be an older, slightly more power hungry process shrug Or maybe it just doesn't obey or doesn't do a good job of obeying the power savings modes.

Lots of possible reasons. But yeah, LOVE that they have done that kind of checks. Very, very valuable.

Drizzt321 · Apr 4, 2024

Hm...I'm thinking the T500 might be my choice. The T500 has bit better performance, meaningful bit, while only slightly higher max power usage but much better idle/power savings. Slightly less than 3x less, call it 2.8x less or something idle power savings usage.

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