I just got a Lenovo V14 G3 laptop. It's quite nice, though not top-end. I hate soldered memory but this at least has one SO-DIMM slot, and more importantly, a power button that isn't embedded in the keyboard (especially not between Delete and Backspace like many have). But, it can use USB-C for power, or a dedicated power connector. Obviously that adds to the cost, but then Lenovo included a USB-C power adapter, so that power connector is just unused, but the USB-C port is blocked. I've always considered a dedicated power connector to be better since it doesn't use up the lone USB-C port on many laptops, so it kind of sucks although I doubt I'll really need it. But is there really any benefit to using the USB-C port for power other than standardization, so you could use any USB-C Power Delivery adapter/dock that has enough wattage? (The power connector is one of those teeny-tiny ones that have little strength to them, so it's a little better in that respect.)
Benefit of USB-C power instead of the power connector?
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I prefer it because I can carry one small charger for my phone and laptop. And if I'm at home I don't care about the USB-C port being blocked
Convenience, I can use any 65W pd charger/power bank. With a single 140w charger I can charge multiple devices or two laptops.
The only time I ran a cropper was with an Asus rog Zephyrus G14 and a flow X13. They both require the supplied power brick (G14) or USB-C charger (X13) to run in full power/turbo mode.
With the x13 it looks like only the xg mobile dock allows charging port expansion, any other usb-c dock/Hub is limited to 65W (even those rated at 100W pd)
The only time I ran a cropper was with an Asus rog Zephyrus G14 and a flow X13. They both require the supplied power brick (G14) or USB-C charger (X13) to run in full power/turbo mode.
With the x13 it looks like only the xg mobile dock allows charging port expansion, any other usb-c dock/Hub is limited to 65W (even those rated at 100W pd)
Well, what if you need to use a USB-C device? Assuming you don't have other free ports and adapters. Why would being away from home make you need it available?
What is "a cropper"?
It's unsurprising that some brands and models would have an arbitrary requirement to use THEIR charger rather than any PD charger regardless of capability, giving vague reasons like "safety", to require you to pay more for theirs, or only use a brand that has paid a fee to have a compatible chip installed.
But it all still boils down to convenience of having a single charger that works with multiple devices, which I understand, but a small charger and cable for a phone isn't a lot of extra stuff to carry if I've got a regular power brick in my bag for the laptop, and I wouldn't want to unplug the laptop to charge the phone anyway. (And with just a cable I could charge the phone from the laptop.) For me personally, it's not a big thing, but I understand for other people it might be. For my use, it feels like a dedicated charger that leaves the USB-C port free would be better.
At least for me, if I'm at home my laptop is plugged into a Thunderbolt / USB-C dock that does all that and more. Whereas when I'm travelling, if I need an adapter for say an HDMI port, etc, I'm more likely to need that port free. But most (i.e. all the ones I'd consider buying) of the adapters that add decent functionality have a passthrough for power anyways, so it's not an issue. You plug the adapter into the USB-C port, the power in to the Adapter and you're good to go.
Here's an example:
I, in my briefcase, pack 2 USB-C cables and one of these:
The reason I've included this particular picture, is that the max charger is generally on the smaller side when it comes to laptop power bricks. My Lenovo power brick, on the other hand, is bigger than the Mac charger pictured, has both a power cable and a USB-C side cable, and is generally an unwieldy mess of cable and power. Whereas the charger pictured can charge my laptop, and my phone, at the same time, in a space that is less than a quarter of just the brick, not counting all the extra cable and associated miscellanea that's required.
To each their own, but this has made a significant positive impact in my carryon travel.
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If I'm at home the laptop is typically plugged into a docking station with more ports, or it's charged and I don't need it plugged in if I need the port. Can't think of a time when I was at home and needing to charge and also needing the port.
Yup, the couple of laptops I've had that needed a dedicated power brick, the brick was 2-3x the size of my little USB-C charger that can do both. I don't travel for work as much anymore, but it was a glorious day when I ditched the brick and just carried a charger the size of 2 boxes of matches
I have a 4 port USB C/A 100W GaN brick, also in agreement that it's amazing to run all the cables either of it or through my laptop.
Basically, if I can't power it over USB, I don't take it with me when traveling as it just makes loading out everything a breeze. A small organizer case for cables is handy too IMO.
Basically, if I can't power it over USB, I don't take it with me when traveling as it just makes loading out everything a breeze. A small organizer case for cables is handy too IMO.
You have options. You could use the barrel connector if you wanted, but that's proprietary and Lenovo's going to charge whatever they feel like for a replacement. Laptops that move around either benefit from small chargers being packed in your bag (as noted, GAN chargers are very small and light) and/or from having a charger everyplace you'd like to plug in your laptop. Home + work is a common scenario. If you were stuck with proprietary Lenovo barrel connector power only, you'd be on the hook to buy one extra proprietary power brick that couldn't be used with any other laptop for the 2nd location. With USB-PD, you can just use whatever charger you have and there are plenty that have multiple plugs so charging your phone or whatever else at the same time is a non-issue where barrel connector power does not give that advantage.
If you have a docking unit, the majority have passthrough PD and the majority of laptops support power extension so you don't block the port. On a laptop with nothing but say 2 USB-C connectors, you're gonna probably need a port expander/docking station anyway and they're cheap-- and sometimes packed in with more expensive laptops.
Being beholden to using only barrel-connector/proprietary power is also an e-waste problem. You're probably only going to ever be able to use that brick with that model of laptop. Big corps can work around that to some degree, but eventually some of them will be thrown away while still able to function. USB-C chargers mostly only get thrown away if they fail since they can always charge something else.
There are still plenty of use cases in very high power consumption laptops where they can't use USB-C or trying to use USB-C forces the computer into low-performance mode if you try to run them with USB-C power only. I have a bunch of 330w power adapters that probably weigh about 800-900g each that are super not-portable and ~$100 each if you want one extra so you don't have to lug them around, but they're for laptops that need that much power. When the day arrives that I can stop buying proprietary power connectors forever and just use USB-C, that's going to be a good day.
If you have a docking unit, the majority have passthrough PD and the majority of laptops support power extension so you don't block the port. On a laptop with nothing but say 2 USB-C connectors, you're gonna probably need a port expander/docking station anyway and they're cheap-- and sometimes packed in with more expensive laptops.
Being beholden to using only barrel-connector/proprietary power is also an e-waste problem. You're probably only going to ever be able to use that brick with that model of laptop. Big corps can work around that to some degree, but eventually some of them will be thrown away while still able to function. USB-C chargers mostly only get thrown away if they fail since they can always charge something else.
There are still plenty of use cases in very high power consumption laptops where they can't use USB-C or trying to use USB-C forces the computer into low-performance mode if you try to run them with USB-C power only. I have a bunch of 330w power adapters that probably weigh about 800-900g each that are super not-portable and ~$100 each if you want one extra so you don't have to lug them around, but they're for laptops that need that much power. When the day arrives that I can stop buying proprietary power connectors forever and just use USB-C, that's going to be a good day.
To jump on this, the opposite problem:
If you have an old discontinued laptop and the power brick breaks or the cord/connector wears out on the proprietary barrel connector: good luck finding a replacement.
If your laptop uses USB-C, just get a new USB-C charger from anywhere. Corner drug stores and airport shops even sell them.
Or when your kid loses the power brick to their school laptop, and tries to get out of doing their homework... just plug that bad boy into a USB connector and they have no excuse.
Brought to you by situations that sound theoretical but very much happened. They were issued a Lenovo-laptop and in an otherwise Lenovo-free home, I had zero chance of owning a proprietary adapter for the laptop.
Brought to you by situations that sound theoretical but very much happened. They were issued a Lenovo-laptop and in an otherwise Lenovo-free home, I had zero chance of owning a proprietary adapter for the laptop.
Convivence. So example. Most Dell laptop power supplies have been 19.5V 3.34A for the last two decades. Being DC barrel plugs with Data pin. The have two sizes and even have kept the same data interface so you can use converters to different barrel plugs. Which brings that with the USB-PD spec being 20V/3A or 20V/5A The 20V/3A normally gets used because it was so close to the old standard power profile they designed all their systems on. So slowly they are moving on.
Now why Lenovo decided to give you only one USB port is all on Lenovo. But Dell on the other hand will make sure to have more than one if it is using USB C, along with proper USB dongle spacing.
Now why Lenovo decided to give you only one USB port is all on Lenovo. But Dell on the other hand will make sure to have more than one if it is using USB C, along with proper USB dongle spacing.
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In this case, the laptop takes both, so I could easily get a USB-C charger from something else (assuming there are other devices in the house using chargers with that much output, which there aren't). The USB-C still comes down to just a convenience, while the dedicated port avoids having to share a port and lose access to it unless I carry around a big dock.
I understand there are advantages like convenience of sharing a power source, using a standard connector for all, but that's about it. I don't see any other benefits. And the disadvantage is that most laptops still only have one USB-C port, which gets taken up by a charger that you will often have connected (whether you're at home or not), and some laptops can't even run at full speed unless they use specific chargers or docks which reduces that "standardization" advantage.
I was just looking for OTHER benefits to using a USB-C charger that would make it preferable over my personal priority for having that USB-C port accessible without needing to connect a docking station. I'm still glad that I'd have the OPTION of using either one in case the proprietary charger failed. At least until all laptops have two or more USB-C ports which might still be a while on the lower end.
Lenovo hasn't even updated their compatibility information for their chargers to include this model of laptop, even though both the USB-C and barrel connector models are listed in the "accessories" on their site for this laptop. It's $60 from them, but can be obtained from Amazon for $20. (Though it's not clear if they're actually Lenovo-brand or not. They have the logo on the label, but...)
I was thinking it would be nice if I could just adapt the USB-C to the barrel connector, but I know that's not just a matter of converting the shape and would require electronics and power management in the adapter, making it somewhat expensive. But, if a new charger is $20 or even $60, then $20 or $30 for a small adapter that would allow the use of basically any power source would not be that bad. But it would be nice not to have to buy a kit of 30 tips and daisy chain connectors (making it stick out even further from the laptop). It's too niche of a need for them to produce a separate adapter for every possible model, though.
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Ultimately, Lenovo or whomever should just add an additional USB-C port. They're choosing to use that real estate for the proprietary connector. They could have chosen to not do that, and instead used that real estate for something else and made sure they had sufficient USB-C connectors.
Even Apple puts 2 USB-C connectors on their laptops, except for that stupid 12" MBP from like 2015, they've generally gotten that part right even when removing all sorts of useful ports.
You do realize how small USB-C docks are, right? They're not bulky, most being about 3" long with a short pigtail USB-C cord. Models with Ethernet sometimes are a little bigger and more expensive, but you don't need to get that option.
An additional USB-C port would undoubtedly add cost to the laptop compared to a dedicated power connector. Manufacturers are always looking to save every penny on the low end of devices, because they're not able to charge a premium with higher margin. There are inexpensive models with two USB-C ports, but those are low end and they ONLY have those two ports so you only end up with one for data/devices (Chromebooks that aren't expected to DO much anyway). There are PC laptops with more ports including more than one USB-C port, but they're upper mid-range and then you're looking at $500 for even a refurb unit, or making concessions in other areas.
Apple puts ONLY USB-C ports on their laptops and has for years, and on some models it's only 2 of them and one of them gets used up for power. Apple is an entirely different market from Windows PCs - they can just make wholesale changes because there is no alternate source, no competition if you want MacOS. You either take what they give you or you don't get a Mac.
A 3" dock is still larger than just having an extra USB-C port, or something even more basic that just provides that one extra port. And there are multiple people in this thread that think carrying a little phone charger in their bag is a crippling amount of extra mass.
No we like carrying the little phone/laptop charger only and not the big laptop-only power brick. The whole point is carrying a single charger that is on its own smaller than the laptop power brick and will charge both devices. That's a much bigger benefit to me than the potential loss of a USB-C port when I'm charging my laptop on the road
Just to clarify, I think carrying a giant laptop charger is a crippling amount of extra mass.
I may be wrong, but I don't think you're quite visualizing what we mean when we say that a GaN USB-C charger is life changing in terms of weight, size and particularly volume.
Now, to be clear, this isn't entirely apples to apples. I don't have a 135W USB-C charger, and there is a fair amount of difference between 65W and 135W. In your particular use case however, you'd be using a 100W or 65W Lenovo Barrel charger, which is slightly narrower, but functionally the same size as the 135W (I couldn't be arsed to find mine for this comparison).
But, the rest give the gist, I think, of why I find this so much easier... EVEN INCLUDING the USB-C Dongle. Note that the 65W Charger, and cable, and dongle, take up less space than the Lenovo brick... not even including the mandatory attached cables. The 65W charger LENGTH is the same as the Lenovo 135W WIDTH. Thickness is identical.
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1) Lenovo 135W Barrel Charger, with included cables to the side. Charges 1 laptop.
2) UGREEN 65W USB-C Charger. 2x USB-C, 1x USB-A. Charges a laptop, a phone, and headphones.
3) Lenovo 100W USB-C Charger, with included cables to the side. Charges 1 laptop.
4) UGREEN 100W USB-C Charger. 3x USB-C, 1x USB-A. Charges a laptop, a tablet, and two phones.
5) USB-C Adapter. HDMI, Ethernet, Power passthrough, SD Card, 3x USB-A ports. I didn't get a top view of this, but it's the same width as the 65W charger.
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Exactly that. In succession I had a laptop that could only be charged with 1, next one 3, and next one could be charged by 2 or 4 which also charged my phone. Glorious day taking the power brick out of my backpack. Not only the brick but the thick power cable for the Mickey Mouse plug on the bricks in the 2nd picture
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