System76 Lemur Pro 2024 edition - My Impressions

Hello --

Pursuant to this discussion, I recently ordered and tried out a System 76 Lemur Pro "2024 edition" (internal model lemp13.)

I got the base model i5 with only the base 8G RAM and the 500G NVMe SSD.

It came well boxed and the packaging was minimal and mostly cardboard.

The laptop is remarkably light and, other than the foil "System76" logo/decal on it, remained un-flashy.

The 16:10 screen was bright while retaining its matte finish (I really hate shiny monitor screens.)

The touch pad is large and for the most part ignored my palms. The laptop is large enough that the touch pad remained mostly out of the way of my palms.

While I'm not a keyboard snob, it seemed to have decent travel and I had no trouble with the action of the keyboard.

I believe the NVMe SSD happened to be a Samsung 990 model. The WiFi and Bluetooth worked fine. I even tried my USB-A -> 1G Ethernet adapter with it and it worked as expected.

The battery life seems awesome and I'm overall happy with its performance.

Windows drivers aren't yet published and I had some trouble getting devices to work when attempting to install Windows directly on hardware (I did this as I was taking a trip and didn't want to have Pop O/S hinder my use of it, but that didn't work out.)

A minor issue is that the laptop was so light as to feel so insubstantial that I'd be afraid to lug it around during travel and what not. However, I did take an an airline trip with it and it seemed to stand up to that "wear and tear" okay. I'm pretty sure the case is made of some aluminum/alloy as it felt cold but didn't exactly sound metallic when tapping on it.

However, its one fatal (to me) flaw was the keyboard layout around the right shift key. I couldn't get used to reaching so much further to hit it. I was trying to do development and never could seem to hit that shift key's target. That key, added to the wacky layout of the arrow keys in that area led me to return it today after having it about 1-1/2 weeks.

If they were to change the keyboard layout to be a little bit more hospitable, I would definitely get one.

If I could find a comparable Clevo (pretty sure they rebrand Clevo?) available in the US for roughly the same money, I'd likely grab one up.

I'm willing to answer any questions about it, but those questions will be answered based on memory as I no longer have the device.

Cheers!
 
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Was there any real stand out reason to buy one rather than your typical Dell/Lenovo/HP machine of similar price? Just from a quick glance at the website, I am not seeing much other than the obvious funnel of money to PopOS, I guess. If that is important to you then it makes sense that you might be more interested.
 
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Was there any real stand out reason to buy one rather than your typical Dell/Lenovo/HP machine of similar price? Just from a quick glance at the website, I am not seeing much other than the obvious funnel of money to PopOS, I guess. If that is important to you then it makes sense that you might be more interested.
No, not really.

I'd heard good things about the company and its offerings.
I wanted a "Linux-first" laptop (I've had trouble with Linux on my last three laptops -- the MS Surface Laptop, a Dell XPS 13 and a Lenovo ThinkPad.)
I wanted the light weight (I already have to lug a workstation replacement Dell laptop for work when I travel.)
I wanted a 16:10 matte 14" display (13" has become too small for my eyes and 15"+ leads to heavier machines.)

I wouldn't mind another MS Surface Laptop if I could go Linux on hardware, but AFAIK, they're notorious for having wonky devices in them that the kernel doesn't easily support. (Heck, if I'm honest, I wouldn't mind if I could replace the battery in my existing Surface Laptop, but since its a 1st gen, I haven't found someone who's willing to replace the battery.)
 

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If you mean is the battery a removable cartridge-like old laptops, no. I didn't get into it to take it apart, but the fact that it CAN come apart, RAM and NVMe SSD upgraded, leads me to believe that it can be replaced at least by a technician if not a normal person.
My old Thinkpad T430 battery can be pulled without taking it apart. I was just wondering if System76 are the same way.
 

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My old Thinkpad T430 battery can be pulled without taking it apart. I was just wondering if System76 are the same way.
Very few laptops have batteries that can slot in and out like on those old ThinkPads (I had ThinkPads as work computers for the first 20 years of my working life). These days the weight and size penalty is considered too great for that sort of modular design.

I think that's OK so long as you can actually get into the machine and replace the battery without having to spend 2 hours with a hairdrier ungluing it.
 

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Very few laptops have batteries that can slot in and out like on those old ThinkPads (I had ThinkPads as work computers for the first 20 years of my working life). These days the weight and size penalty is considered too great for that sort of modular design.

I think that's OK so long as you can actually get into the machine and replace the battery without having to spend 2 hours with a hairdrier ungluing it.
I rather not have to take the machine apart to replace the battery.
 

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Unfortunately, you're going to be really limited if and when you look for a new laptop. Even the Thinkpad T and P series went internal with the batteries. The only new laptops off the top of my head that still have swappable battery packs are Rugged laptops, like Dell's Rugged Latitude line and the Panasonic Toughbook.
 

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Unfortunately, you're going to be really limited if and when you look for a new laptop. Even the Thinkpad T and P series went internal with the batteries. The only new laptops off the top of my head that still have swappable battery packs are Rugged laptops, like Dell's Rugged Latitude line and the Panasonic Toughbook.
Didn't know that Panasonic still made the Toughbook.