What happen to 5.25" bays?

whm2074

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So I briefly looked at these reviews of Cases and none of them have 5.25" bays. What is up with this?
I still use my DVD Burner to watch DVDs from time to time. I know my dad still does.
 

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Times change. I think the last pc I built with an optical drive would have been circa 2010? If I really needed to read optical media for some reason these days I'd buy a usb drive, and then probably give it to goodwill after I was done with it rather than storing yet another thing.
I reused my Corsair 300R last year when I upgraded. Why not this is a ~$100 case.
 

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To a first approximation, nobody needs or wants 5¼” bays in their PC case. PC software is distributed almost exclusively over the internet and has been for years. Installing your OS is just faster and better from a flash drive. Motherboards have decently sophisticated fan controls and temperature sensing abilities that render the old style of fan controllers redundant.

On the flipside, PC hardware is increasingly power hungry and cooling requirements have increased, so dedicating as much of the surface area of the case to air exchange just makes a lot of sense.

We should also remember that making a drive bay is a non-trivial bit of fabrication that bears a cost, and when you're trying to compete in this market, everything that has a cost has to justify itself in attracting sales. If it no longer attracts sales (see paragraph 1!) then it's going to be removed. This is true no matter the price of the case, there's always price pressure at every level.

Also, DIY PCs tend to be built by people looking for the latest and greatest, the most modern, etc. Optical drives just aren't that, they're viewed as a bit of a technological relic by many and realistically, they have a point.

Lastly, USB optical drives are inexpensive and widely available for people who need them, so it's not like it's a capability that's been completely lost from PCs.
 

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Sure thing, and that's not a problem. But what I've outlined above is a compact version of the reasons for what you observed, ie new PC cases don't have 5¼” bays any more.
Yeah and I'm thinking that desktop 3.5" HDD are going away next since SSDs have gotten a lot cheaper during the last 11 years. Ext. HDD will stick around for backup purposes.
 
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Phanteks still makes cases with them, although some require an adapter, because honestly, no one uses them.

I still use my Enthoo Pro because a newer case would likely lose functionality, between dropping 5.25" and HDD bays, and I can fit an Arctic 360 mm radiator (barely) and 3090 inside. The 3090 required getting power extension cables, but rock solid since then.

I was looking at a be quiet! Dark Base PRO 900 in orange/black but hard to purchase when it was never in stock. Ultimately, it's just a box, which is why I've stuck with this case and I added an internal BR drive to rip UHD discs this year for all of $50.

I'm fine with moving to SSDs vs HDDs, but the $/GB is still high for media storage.
 

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+1 for this case, I really like it.

The 5 1/4 is located at the bottom, and cuts into your SSD /HDD space if you want to use it, but it's a great case.

Yeah the basement on those cases can get tight in a hurry, because you're also competing with the PSU/cables for space. If you're willing to buy a cheap 5.25" to 3.5" drive bay adapter you can still have an optical drive and one 3.5" mechanical drive up front with two back of the motherboard tray 2.5" SSD's mounts still available.
 

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Yeah the basement on those cases can get tight in a hurry, because you're also competing with the PSU/cables for space. If you're willing to buy a cheap 5.25" to 3.5" drive bay adapter you can still have an optical drive and one 3.5" mechanical drive up front with two back of the motherboard tray 2.5" SSD's mounts still available.
I prefer the 5.25" bay to be at the top not the bottom.
 

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Since at least 2016, although I'm actually reasonably sure it was at least a few years before that that 5.25" drive bays started declining.
 

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There are a handful of cases as previously mentioned, but you really wind up limiting yourself by demanding a 5.25" bay at this point. After briefly trying to find a case I liked for my most recent build with a 5.25 bay I eventually gave up and just ordered an external enclosure. It sits in a drawer in my cabinet 99.9999% of the time. I pull it out and plug it in on the rare occasion I actually need it.
 

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Optical drives are an absolute necessity for me as my hobby requires me to rip and copy bds and dvds constantly. Late last year I finally decided to build a new pc from scratch after using the same Antec Sonata case for 12 years and 3 builds. I looked around and found a case with 2?! 5 1/4" external bays that suited me perfectly as I also needed space for 4 internal hdds. Also wanted a case with solid side panels as I don't need or use internal lighting-what I found was the Be Quiet Pure Base 600. It's a really nice looking case too and that doesn't hurt. I have a bd burner in the top bay and a dvd burner in the bottom bay.
 
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Yeah and I'm thinking that desktop 3.5" HDD are going away next since SSDs have gotten a lot cheaper during the last 11 years. Ext. HDD will stick around for backup purposes.
The reason we might be keeping a few HDD bays is that they don’t interfere with airflow in the same way a 5.25” bay open to the front does, and there is usually space near the front if the case is long enough for a modern GPU. ATX and uATX motherboards are 244mm (and ITX is 170mm), PSUs are 140mm if they follow the standard and not that much longer if they don’t, and the space for a GPU is usually above 300mm these days. There is a hole there, so to speak.
 

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Dare I ask - what is this hobby?!
Ripping bluray and DVD for Jellyfin/Plex Servers and ripping an entire music catalog to flac. Not everybody wants an external drive. I get that most are perfectly fine with it but a lot of us STILL use optical drives. A lot. and having yet another USB device on a desk when one isn't needed is just cleaner for us. There is zero chance of it getting bumped, lost, whatever. I will always prefer an internal drive to a USB one because I have a desktop. It literally sits under my desk and the drive never has to be connected to anything else. Portability isn't a selling point for a lot of us.
 

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So I briefly looked at these reviews of Cases and none of them have 5.25" bays. What is up with this?
I still use my DVD Burner to watch DVDs from time to time. I know my dad still does.
I went with this. I have never loved a case so much

 
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So I briefly looked at these reviews of Cases and none of them have 5.25" bays. What is up with this?
I still use my DVD Burner to watch DVDs from time to time. I know my dad still does.
Software almost never comes on physical CDs/DVDs these days, and flash/cloud storage is usually the de-facto way to store files...but I do agree that removing those drive bays sucks, because there are a lot of other accessories (more USB ports or another HDD enclosure for instance) that can be put in 5.25 bays. For a case I ended up going with the HAF XB, but it is a large case that isn't for everyone; if you are using wifi to connect to the internet an aftermarket antenna is recommended.

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(For the record, I do have an optical drive bay but I've only used it once to write a backup data CD for cold storage)
 

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There are a handful of cases as previously mentioned, but you really wind up limiting yourself by demanding a 5.25" bay at this point. After briefly trying to find a case I liked for my most recent build with a 5.25 bay I eventually gave up and just ordered an external enclosure. It sits in a drawer in my cabinet 99.9999% of the time. I pull it out and plug it in on the rare occasion I actually need it.
This is why I ended up going "old school" for my most recent build after searching for a new case was fruitless. My requirements were even more stringent: Full tower, multiple 5.25" bays, carry handle, acrylic side panel instead of tempered glass. They just don't make that kind of case anymore. You might be able to get 2/4 of those things but probably not 3/4 and definitely not 4/4.

Bought a Cooler Master Stryker off of a guy on Reddit. I'm currently using three 5.25" bays for blu-ray drive, multi SD card reader, and a Kingwin HDD power switch controller. The other six are occupied by the intake fans and hard drive cages that come standard with it.
 
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To add to everything else they're physically much larger than is required for an ODD, so besides being less used they're also not ideal for the form factor. You can get an external drive that's half the volume of a 5.25 bay and can plug into any system, not just big towers.
This is also true. My case actually has a slot for a slim slot-loading drive. I installed one that I happened to have around, but TBH I have never used it.
 

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I found this out a couple or more years ago. That and everything being blinged up to the max with RGB vomit... it was a bit of a shock to me too, but it makes sense.

As noted, you can find cases that have optical drive bays. The Panzer Max-G is a great example with two (alas, still on my 'to get' list and it's getting hard to find). My main PC right now is a Corsair Graphite 760T that has three optical drive bays and was perfect for this PC build. I have a 2-bay Asus ROG Front Base panel (useless, but looks cool) and an Asus Blr-ray burner. That pretty much covers everything I could want in an optical drive bay.

But yeah... the PC industry has definitely moved on from physical media.

You know you can always look on eBay right? ;)
 
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My DVD drive died, and I ended up getting an Asus USB drive to replace it for ripping music CDs. According to dbPowerAmp's CD Ripper it's working perfectly. [ The program ] uses hashes to verify rips against other users.

My next case won't have a 5.25" bay since I don't rip many new CDs and I can share a USB drive with my laptop if it ever needs it for something. Cases without the drive cage are more roomy to work in.

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The 5 1/4 is located at the bottom, and cuts into your SSD /HDD space if you want to use it, but it's a great case.
I use the optical drive bays for SSD hot swap enclosures. One of them fits 8 × 7 mm SATA SSDs or 4 × 15 mm U.2 SSDs. It’s nice for reducing cable clutter even if you don’t (or can’t) hot swap, so I make sure to always get a case that has one or two optical drive bays. It’s a shame that this new use case is also niche, since it could have kept the bays relevant.
 

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It's funny how Larry Ellison nailed it decades before the optical drive died. I remember watching Triumph of the Nerds where he said everyone was nuts to put stuff on media, ship that to a store, buy it then take it home. Not that I like him, but quite a visionary. That show aired in 1996.
He also propose that Network Computers will replace PCs... We know how that turned out.
 

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I'd say he was right on the money. What's the most commonly used Personal Computing device today? The smartphone. Other than taking pictures, smartphones are highly dependent on the network for almost everything they do ;)
Compared to a PC, I find Smartphones and Tablets hard to use. I would say that Chromebooks are closer to the NC.
 
Software almost never comes on physical CDs/DVDs these days, and flash/cloud storage is usually the de-facto way to store files...but I do agree that removing those drive bays sucks, because there are a lot of other accessories (more USB ports or another HDD enclosure for instance) that can be put in 5.25 bays. For a case I ended up going with the HAF XB, but it is a large case that isn't for everyone; if you are using wifi to connect to the internet an aftermarket antenna is recommended.

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(For the record, I do have an optical drive bay but I've only used it once to write a backup data CD for cold storage)
I have one of those as well and love it,so easy to fit everything in with out having to jam my fingers into tight spaces while praying all the edges were properly deburred.