The (Music) Producers Club: DAWs, Plugins, and Gear Galore!

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Spinning off some discussion from The Perpetual Guitar Thread to discuss all the things that relate more specifically to music production. Starting off quoting the last part of Resonant Rationale's post:
I'm looking for DAW recommendations. I found using Cubase (came with my interface) unnecessarily cumbersome for the basic recording I do. Mainly looking for ease of use. What are your experiences?
If simple is what you're looking for, Audacity may be just what you want. It doesn't have the extra bits and bobs that a full-fledged DAW does, but it's decent for the price of free. I've also used Ardour on Linux, which also worked well enough for me several years ago.

I bought Reaper, and I am happy with it. It's $60 for the discounted license, which basically means you're not grossing over $20k/year. They do a 60 day free trial, so you can see if it works for you before paying for it. It has some plugins included (EQ, Compressor, Limiter, etc.), and supports VST2, VST3, and more.

I haven't gotten super deep into all of the features these DAWs provide, so someone else may be able to provide more detail.

EDIT: Check out this post for some resources that may be useful!
 
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What are you other edrum players doing to get sounds into a DAW? I'm running MIDI over USB and using the free Steven Slate Drums (SSD), pretty darn good quality for free. Trying out BFDplayer just to see if I'm missing out. I find the drum sounds included in the Nitro Mesh 'brain' to be pretty lacking.
I agree about the sounds being lacking in the Nitro Mesh. I've liked Spitfire Audio's LABS drums so far (also free), though I've been writing the MIDI because I need to get a good workflow set up for the drums (also I'm very much an amateur drummer).

I've read good things about some paid drum VSTs, but I've not used them, and I'm not ready to pay for them... Superior Drummer 3, EZDrummer 3, Addictive Drums, etc.
 
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On DAWs, I've gotten comfortable with Presonus' Studio One (and its hilariously named second edition, Studio One 2) mostly because it came with my audio interface (a simple 2+2 USB AudioBox). I suspect spending some time in any DAW will be helpful as many of the concepts are similar, having been imported from a physical studio workflow.
 
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As far as DAWs go, I'm an old-hand with Propellerhead Reason; been using it since it was just a softsynth setup (2.5), even bought the Record package when they did the offshoot for audio recording, and am now paying the regular fee to have the latest greatest version (they went to the Adobe CS model, but at least they merged Record & Reason).

Used to I'd record & mix in CoolEdit Pro (later bought by Adobe and became Adobe Audition). Actually, even before that, I used.. What was it.. Modplug tracker? Googles yup, that was it. Used to use Windows Recorder to record samples, and sequence them in Modplug :D

Used Fruityloops for a while back in the day too, but it colored the sound too much for my taste.
 
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I've used sequencers and then daws off and on since the late 80s...currently using Mac so Logic is kind of a no-brainer choice. $200 gets you a ton and so far, free updates for life. I like Windows in general, I work on a windows machine and game on another one, so if for some reason I wanted to switch it would be no biggie.

My coworker got a great educational discount for Ableton Live, I'd likely switch to that one if I went to Windows. I have enough 3rd party plugins that I don't need instruments or even mixing plugins in the daw, but Ableton and Logic both have some good ones. I've used Cubase, Digital Performer, Pro Tools, Cakewalk and others through the years, and dabbled in Reaper to help the guitarist in my band who thinks it's all digital madness :)

Bitwig is interesting to me because it takes a more programmatic approach from what I've read. The daw itself can be scripted to be an instrument basically.

They are all somewhat similar and they all take ages to get used to. I imagine that an interface designer's personal hell is a 3d representation of a daw or video editor...just SO MUCH stuff packed in! For any new person, just take your time and don't try to grok everything in there, you'll go nuts.
 

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Audacity may be just what you want. It doesn't have the extra bits and bobs that a full-fledged DAW does
I haven't done much digital anything until about 2 years ago when I got an edrum, and even then I'm not playing in a DAW. But every now and then Ive had need for audacity and I'm happy to say about 2 weeks before I needed it they released the option to set a tempo and snap to beats and measures. Its brand new for audacity and probably way behind everyone else, but it's been notoriously lacking, so I wanted to share that.

What are you other edrum players doing to get sounds into a DAW? I'm running MIDI over USB and using the free Steven Slate Drums (SSD), pretty darn good quality for free. Trying out BFDplayer just to see if I'm missing out. I find the drum sounds included in the Nitro Mesh 'brain' to be pretty lacking.

As mentioned, I don't do any of this. But reading comments and watching reviews it seems like EZ drummer is very popular.
 

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Bitwig is interesting to me because it takes a more programmatic approach from what I've read. The daw itself can be scripted to be an instrument basical
Even without scripting, Bitwig really does act like an instrument as much as a daw. There's lots of built in devices and a very well thought out modulation system. Basically lots of controllers like lfos, step sequencers, randomizers, and many more. All of those can easily be used to affect any property of any of the audio creation devices.

It's also the daw that's probably the most designed for live playing with the exception of Ableton
 

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Bitwig is truly something else! Its organic feel blurs the line between an instrument and a DAW. The built-in devices and the intuitive modulation system make it a playground for creativity. The variety of controllers—LFOs, step sequencers, randomizers—empower you to tweak any aspect of the audio creation tools effortlessly.

Moreover, its live performance capabilities rival even Ableton. The seamless integration for live playing sets it apart. Bitwig's dynamic nature indeed makes music creation a captivating experience!

I'm sorry if I'm misinterpreting this the wrong way, but this kinda feels like an AI rephrasing of my comment above.
 

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I'm going to make a list of the VSTs I have, someone might find something they're interested in, or didn't know about. I'm newish to this, so I haven't used a whole lot yet.

VSTs I use:
  • BBC Symphony Discover by Spitfire Audio (Free) - I really like this one. Long notes, staccato, pizzicato, and tremolo options for string instruments, long notes and staccatissimo for wind instruments. A variety of percussion options available, and they all sound pretty good. However, I've found that I like the piano better in...
  • LABS by Spitfire Audio (Free) - There are a lot of free instruments you can download, from piano to drums to guitar and more. They can be hit or miss, depending on what sound you're looking for.
  • Melodyne by Celemony (Paid) - Excellent vocal tuning software that works well and doesn't sound fake. I just upgraded from Essential to Assistant, though I have yet to dig into the additional features provided. At least with Essential, I have noticed that my vocals sound different when I change a note or phrase by more than a semitone or two when trying out different vocal melodies. I'm not sure if that's just how it works, or if I just need to learn more about the software.
VSTs I am playing around with:
  • VocalSynth 2 by iZotope (Paid) - I bought a sale bundle that included this, since paying a little more for the bundle seemed like it provided other useful plugins. I've been messing around with the different sound options, and I think I'll find some good spots to use it.
  • Steven Slate Drums 5.5 Free - For a free VST, this is a pretty good set. I need to figure out how to get it working with my Alesis Nitro Mesh set, I haven't spent much time looking into that. I might buy the paid version if a good discount comes up, but this free version and the above LABS are working well for now.
VSTs I have not used yet:
  • Neutron 4 Elements (Paid) - Part of the bundle I bought for VocalSynth 2. Seemed like it could work well for mixing, but I'm new to the mixing and mastering side.
  • Stutter Edit 2 by iZotope (Paid) - Part of the bundle I bought for VocalSynth 2. Could provide some interesting effects, based on the description I read, but I'll have to play with it.
  • Neoverb by iZotope (Paid) - Part of the bundle I bought for VocalSynth 2. It's a reverb plugin, I'm not sure how much I'll use it.
  • Komplete Start by Native Instruments (Free) - When a company offers a bunch of plugins for free, I'm inclined to get it, even if I have no idea how useful they will be. I've yet to spend much time in the bundle to see what will be worthwhile for me.
  • Silk Vocal by Waves Audio (Paid) - I got it for free this Black Friday. I thought maybe some EQ for vocals would be useful, but again, I'm new to mixing and mastering, so I'm not sure how I'll use it.
  • Drummic'a by Sennheiser (Free) - I downloaded it, but have yet to try it. The samples are supposedly high quality, so maybe it will be useful. EDIT: This appears to be abandonware and not downloadable anymore.
  • Autogun by Image-Line (Free) - A synthesizer (I think) that I have, but not sure what I'll do with it. It supposedly has billions of presets, or something.
  • I also have a bunch of other free plugins I got when I first started looking, a few years ago. Zebralette, Tunefish 4, Dexed, and others that I have but have not gotten around to trying.

What do you have, what do you like?
 
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So, I'm pretty new to the DAW world despite having had a copy of the Magix MusicMaker for a couple of years npw (mostly just playing around with it, because adulting and time constraints). I have a Behringer U-Phoria UMC404HD USB Audio Interface and am not having any problems getting audio in to my system at all -- the setup works great.

My biggest problem is that I'm not a drummer, I'm a guitar player. And while I can play along with drums just fine, I'm... not a beat-maker. MM has libraries of drum samples, plenty of MIDI and audio plugins for drums, but while these things are all awesome, they're not... well, they're not a drummer. I can make MM play Sample 1 for 12 bars, then go to Sample 2 for 4, but there are no fills, nothing that doesn't sound like it's... well, a drummer. And I know it never will be, I get that.

Can anyone point me in a good direction for "getting started with drums for DAW"-type resource?
 

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So, I'm pretty new to the DAW world despite having had a copy of the Magix MusicMaker for a couple of years npw (mostly just playing around with it, because adulting and time constraints). I have a Behringer U-Phoria UMC404HD USB Audio Interface and am not having any problems getting audio in to my system at all -- the setup works great.

My biggest problem is that I'm not a drummer, I'm a guitar player. And while I can play along with drums just fine, I'm... not a beat-maker. MM has libraries of drum samples, plenty of MIDI and audio plugins for drums, but while these things are all awesome, they're not... well, they're not a drummer. I can make MM play Sample 1 for 12 bars, then go to Sample 2 for 4, but there are no fills, nothing that doesn't sound like it's... well, a drummer. And I know it never will be, I get that.

Can anyone point me in a good direction for "getting started with drums for DAW"-type resource?

I don't know of one resource, but there are various forums out there and tons of youtube vids.

I'm no expert in the "world of drums" myself, and I'm a poor-to-middling keyboard drummer (there are some VERY good ones out there) :) I also lack tons of patience when it comes to assembling drum tracks. This is why I appreciate Drummer (a plugin in Logic); it generates patterns and fills based on some presets, the tempo of the song, and various settings. Obviously if you don't have Logic that one is out.

Drums to me kind of fall into some broad categories:
  • "real" drums that sound and play like a real drummer as close as possible; these are midi plugins/loops that trigger modeled or sampled real drums.
  • drum loops, which are audio recordings of real drums or drum machines. Because they are audio the editing possibilities are limited and they are intended to only play at one tempo.
  • drum machines, which have been around for decades in hardware form and also exist as plugins.


I'm partial to the first type, the midi-based plugins that come with real-sounding drums. These are mostly "loop based" (not to be confused with the audio "drum loops")--meaning their patterns are set loops of midi notes that can be altered somewhat by the plugin. Examples of these are Superior Drummer, EZDrummer, Addictive Drummer, various Native Instrument Kontakt instruments, and many others. You can purchase loops from companies like Groove Monkee that add greatly to the available patterns. You may also be able to add new kits (sounds) to the plugin; for example, EZDrummer has lots of expansions that contain both kits (samples) and patterns.

There are also a few "AI" (ok, hate that term so maybe "algorithmic" is better) that don't really use loops but rather come up with the patterns based on settings. Drummer is one of these. It sometimes can be a bit irritating when it creates a pattern that isn't quite what you had in mind for the settings :)

With any midi-based plugin, like Drummer, I can copy the midi out to a track and edit or add to it. But then I lose the ability to alter settings in the plugin, that's the downside of doing that.

Finally, your DAW of choice would have to support 3rd party plugins. On mac I use AU, pcs typically use VST (2 or 3). I think Pro Tools has its own different one. Almost all Daws support AU and VST at least but I'd still check into it before buying anything.

Based on my own research--if I didn't have Logic's Drummer and was basically starting from nothing, I'd be looking hard at EZDrummer3. It's one of the newest ones out there (version 3 at least) and has some really nice features and sounds great. Addictive Drums 2 is a lot older but still sounds good, and is cheaper (XLN audio is a great company as well). AD2 typically has bigger sales than anything by Toontrack, who is the developer of both EZ and Superior Drummer. As far as Superior goes--well, it's the big dog and comes at a big dog price!

Edit (since this is still the last post) - thought I'd mention BFD3. This is, or sorta was, another big dog. It's known for being maybe the most realistic drum library out there, and arguably the best-sounding. The problem is that it got bought up by someone and there have been...issues. There's also a pretty nasty copy protection deal that makes you be online with it every so often to 'check in'. The reason I'm mentioning it is that over the past year it's been as cheap as $49 , which is nuts compared to it's old price. Superior Drummer it's main competitor is mid-300s I believe and almost never has any real sale. BFD3 has an older, smaller interface that looks clunky on bigger modern monitors according to many and also the functionality is a bit arcane. I really debated picking it up but the fact is I'm pretty happy with Drummer generating the parts and my Kontakt libraries playing the sounds (a bit tricky to set up the first time but worth it!). Still, if you don't have anything it might be worth a flyer at that sale price. It doesn't seem to be abandonware, I believe it was updated for Apple Silicon and has seen some other updates.
 
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Thank you for starting this thread. Oranging. :)

I'll have to add details about my stuff on an ongoing basis, but my basic life revolves around Logic. I'm fairly in the UAD/UADx world (with a few choice/indispensable Waves things, they'll get WUP money from me forever thanks to, like, L2/L3, Vocal Rider, Smack Attack, F6 .. though I should really transfer than knowledge to Pro-Q3). Most of my instruments are "real" with a few choice keyboard/synth things (a Rhodes piano, a Deckard's Dream, a couple small Korg units), a Roland drum machine, but I also live in Kontakt for synth-y things (lots of Output plugins, various NI ones of course thanks to what bandmates use, some iZotope things here and there). Lots of Neural DSP for guitar plugins, but I pretty much play real amps thru an OX box. A very compact Ludwig Breakbeats kit with Paiste PST7 cymbals rounds things out.

We've talked guitars in the other thread, of course. :)
 

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Superior Drummer it's main competitor is mid-300s I believe and almost never has any real sale.
Yeah a friend of mine is a proper drummer with released albums and everything, and he swears by Superior Drummer. That's far too much money for someone with my (lack of) skill, and I've just been happy with the various sounds that my Roland kit makes. I end up recording the drums as MIDI then when I'm finished tweaking them I'll play them back through the kit to get an audio recording using the sounds from the drum module.
 

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Yeah a friend of mine is a proper drummer with released albums and everything, and he swears by Superior Drummer. That's far too much money for someone with my (lack of) skill, and I've just been happy with the various sounds that my Roland kit makes. I end up recording the drums as MIDI then when I'm finished tweaking them I'll play them back through the kit to get an audio recording using the sounds from the drum module.
Superior Drummer is definitely on my "eventually" list of plugin purchases, if somehow my music production becomes profitable. I may be willing to pay for EZDrummer before then, but it's really going to depend on a lot of other stuff. But if the sounds I have are going to work well enough, I'm willing to figure out how to write sufficient drum sequences and fills.

Over at the Monome community site Lines (llllllll.co) we've been tracking a very interesting experimental DAW in progress called Blockhead DAW. It's idiosyncratic and brings some very interesting non-typical DAW concepts to the table.
It looks interesting! I'm not sure I'm in the target audience, but I hope it does well.



Has anyone used iZotope's Ozone Elements? Is it worthwhile? There's a huge gap in what's included between Elements and Standard, and Standard is out of my price range at the moment. Otherwise, what do y'all use for mixing and mastering? Or should I really just pay someone else to do it? I'm shying away from doing that, partly because I'd like to know and understand at least a bit about mixing and mastering, and partly because I'm not sure I could justify paying for even one album's worth of mixing/mastering.
 

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Last couple things we paid someone else to master (most recently Dave Cooley @ Elysian for this record). My very experienced producer drummer did the mixes. For things of more personal consequence, I generally mix and master in the box with Logic. Heavy in Waves land. Logic Multipressor + Waves L2 are generally where I live. I should build that chain from scratch again, cause I've been living off what I did years ago with minor tweaks.

I have Ozone Elements but I haven't .. really spent any time with it. I probably should. But I probably won't. :/

I am curious to play with Logic's new Mastering Assistant.
 

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Last couple things we paid someone else to master (most recently Dave Cooley @ Elysian for this record). My very experienced producer drummer did the mixes. For things of more personal consequence, I generally mix and master in the box with Logic. Heavy in Waves land. Logic Multipressor + Waves L2 are generally where I live. I should build that chain from scratch again, cause I've been living off what I did years ago with minor tweaks.
I'm planning to officially release at least one album, eventually, but it is just me. I am already functioning as writer, musician, producer, etc. What's one or two more jobs? :eng101:

I don't mean to downplay how important good mixing and mastering is. But I am effectively a hobbyist, so where someone like Dave Cooley would likely be outside my budget... I wonder if I would benefit more from learning myself, instead of trying to find the right person on Fiverr.
 
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I'm a keyboardist and drummer, and have been making music with synths/sequencers since the mid 80's.

I'm a hobbyist with no designs of making money from music; I do it for my own enjoyment.

I'm almost completely "in the box" now, and I've used Logic forever; it's a great DAW if you own a Mac. Here's some current-ish music I made using the software below to get a sense of how things can sound.

Aside from the included Logic Pro VIs,

- I use BFD3 for very realistic drum sounds when I want them, it's great IMO. I use it for both programming or MIDI via e-drums.

- I use Spectrasonics Omnisphere for most of my general sounds (incredibly deep VI), and Spectrasonics Trillian for both extremely realistic basses but also great synth bass sounds. I still use Spectrasonics Stylus RMX for some loops; it's old but still useful (you'll hear samples from this VI in TV shows all the time)

- I bought Native Instruments Komplete 10 some years ago, and it's been pretty useful as well (has a TON of sounds included), but not worth upgrading IMO; it's become a bit of a cash cow for NI, not really improving much per upgrade.

-U-he Satin for a nice natural compressor


For me, I've found that the plug-ins I do have are by FAR enough to last me forever, given how deep many of them are.

By the way, my day job is a designer, I've made a few album covers for some bands this year, so if any of you rock stars needs an LP cover/CD cover, hit me up. 🤘

Edited to add: If you haven't already, head over to Gearspace. Good forum for musicians, with lots of pros giving free advice.
 
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Heh, I could have almost written that myself, parts of it.

I've been playing hardware keyboards since the 80s and I'll NEVER go back to hardware for home use. I worked for a couple years in what they call a "jingle studio", full of keyboards and various rack modules and effects. What a major PITA to set up a session. Patch changes, sysex, cabling, non-automated console setup including patching and EQ... oi. In the box is WAY simpler and sounds just as good to me. Better if you were like me and had nice keyboard(s) but didn't have a console or nice effects to go with it.

Live gigs, I still use hardware. I used an ipad for about a year to play the excellent b3 organ app B-3X since the one on my Yamaha Modx sucks, but I upgraded and prefer to stay away from the laptops and ipads for live (I still bring an ipad for notes and mixer apps to control my monitor mix but I can get by without it if I forget to charge it). I like plugging stuff in quickly, doing a line check and seeing what craft beers they have. Got no time for fiddly! I'm currently going miminalistic with a Nord Stage 3 I picked up in a great used deal. It handles everything I need and I can set up in about 5 minutes and pretty much load in one trip (I normally use in-ear monitors).

Despite the fact that I have Komplete and some of the u-he synths, I still get excited around Black Friday. Did I need another reverb...well, probably not, but I picked up Liquidsonics Cinematic Rooms on sale (and with a small loyalty discount, their loyalty discounts stack with sales AND other loyalty discounts so they are a slippery slope...)

I can't say I really need more orchestral plugins considering Komplete has some and I have a few other libraries, but I'm probably going to do something I never considered before: a subscription. I qualify for both East/West and Musio education discounts, and I'm leaning toward Musio (which is done by Cinesamples and includes most of their libraries, which they are porting to their own alternative player from the Kontakt versions.) I can get a year of Musio for $49 which is pretty insane for what you get. E/W's deal is $69/year and that is perpetual according to their support. I'll re-eval after a year and see what I've used and liked, and what I haven't.

Edit: I'll add that a big challenge for me when it comes to mixing is not lack of knowledge, it's not gear or plugins...it's material. I found a great resource for multitracks, it's free and I've mixed a few songs from here. You just download the wavs and import them into your DAW. There are a shit ton of recordings here crossing many genres. The multitracks I grabbed were well-recorded. It was really fun mixing acoustic drums again, not something I normally get to do!


If anyone is in a band or otherwise has some tracks and would like them mixed, I'd be glad to give it a go. I haven't worked in the industry for ages so no promises of quality, but hey it's free :D

Edit: someone mentioned Ozone
I just got Ozone standard 10 as part of Komplete but haven't done much with it. My buddy picked up the God Particle and is pretty happy with it. I'm a bit old school though I never did any mastering; some of these "magic box" plugins kind of get me skeptical. I flip through presets on Voxengo Teote for example (picked up on big sale!) and I'm like "Yep, those all sound different, and good...so which one? And is it any better than the mix without them?" :)
 
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100% there's benefit to learning things for yourself. I'm reasonably confident about being able to do an adequate job at this time, but man it takes iteration. And ears get tired and lose perspective super quick. Volume is your enemy, generally.

https://themasteringshow.com/ is absolutely excellent.
I started listening, got through a couple episodes from the beginning. There's great information so far, I'm taking notes to have for later as I listen :biggreen: My big general takeaways so far:
  • Mastering should not be a long process
  • Take a long break between mixing and mastering, if doing your own
  • Find something that sounds amazing in the real world, and is similar to what you will be mastering; use that as a reference track
  • Have one gain setting for mastering for consistency (-12 LUFS integrated loudness was recommended). There was a note about having a second position 12dB lower to give your ears a rest as well.
I feel like the podcast is helping me feel like decent mastering is within reach, which is awesome (for me).
 
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Yeah as far as mixing goes (I don't have any experience with mastering), I'd always heard to keep it pretty low. Bump the volume up occasionally to check things, and also bring it really low to see what might pop out.

Ears get tired. Your brain gets tired.

Thankfully, it's incredibly easy now in the box if you want to continue a session. When I first started, we had no digital mixers or automation so everything had to be written down and then manually recreated if you wanted to revisit a past session (EQ settings, fader levels, patch bay routings, compressor settings and so on).

I'm looking to spiff up my home office/studio space. It's got some pretty nasty echo in it. Acoustic panels/bass traps (not the cheap useless foam stuff) is expensive and it's expensive even to ship the materials to DIY (and I'm as handy as a foot...). I'm considering getting an order of 2" thick fabric-covered fiberglass panels from Alibaba, as my wife speaks the language and can work out the shipping details as she does that often for her business :) Those wouldn't be bass traps but stuff like 703 owens corning seems to do well in the low-mid area and I could probably double up a couple and leave an air gap to handle lower frequencies. I have nearfields that don't have a ton of bass anyhow. Prices are insanely cheap, but generally they have a pretty big minimum order so I might be standing on the street corner with a (really big) trenchcoat saying "psst...wanna buy some acoustic panels?"
 
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Alright, so I bought a little sample pad, right? FYI - loving it. Ok, so here's the thing, I want to be able to run this thing in the most minimalist setup possible. I've seen battery operated little Bose monitors and I'm sure there's plenty of other products out there. But do any of them have a power out? I still need to power the sample pad, and right now I can use my ego lawn battery with an inverter and have a totally portable setup without need for wall power, but it'd be nice to remove one more thing from the equation.
 

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I'm looking to spiff up my home office/studio space. It's got some pretty nasty echo in it. Acoustic panels/bass traps"

Have you looked at GIK Acoustics?

I bought a bunch of bass traps and acoustic panels from them (GIK Room Kit 4) back in 2014 for $1200 (including shipping). Doesn't look like the price has gone up too much since then.

I sent them a plan of my office/studio space ( I happened to have a 3D model of it I'd made in Sketchup), what I wanted to do with it, and they sent me back a list of the things they thought I'd need.

Got rid of all of my echoes and harshness, well worth the money if you don't feel like DIY, especially since a corner good bass trap would be a bit of a PITA to make (a floor to ceiling wedge).
 
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Music production resources!

I thought it might be worthwhile to put together some information to help anyone who is new or thinking about getting started with producing/recording music. I can try to update this post (at least for a while) as recommendations come in, and I'll put a link to this post in the first post as well.

Learning:
The Mastering Show (recommended by anuj) - This is a podcast that focuses on the process of mastering music, but some topics also have useful information for recording or mixing.

Free Plugins/Samples:
These are provided free by the companies that created them.
Komplete Start by Native Instruments - A variety of instruments, EQ, reverb, and more to get started with music production. I haven't yet used it, but I've seen it recommended elsewhere. Be aware you'll need to install Native Access to download this bundle.
LABS by Spitfire Audio - 60 free instruments as of this post! Not just orchestra; there are voices, whalesong, synths, and more. Requires install of the Spitfire Audio application.
BBC Symphony Orchestra Discover by Spitfire Audio - Woodwinds, brass, strings, and percussion are all well-represented here. I think the sounds here are a good showcase of the library, and I would love to someday buy one of the paid versions. I like the LABS piano better though. Requires install of the Spitfire Audio application.
Freeware Plug-ins Pack II by Blue Cat Audio - 7 free plugins: chorus, flanger, guitar amp sim, frequency analyzer, gain suite, phaser, and EQ. I have not tested them yet, I just found out about these a few days ago. The download is an installer, but I don't think there's any management application like the others.
MFreeFXBundle by MeldaProduction - A bunch of free plugins. I have not looked much at this one, I found out about it a few days ago. The Mastering Show mentioned MeldaProduction has a good limiter; I'd never heard of the company prior. When I looked, I found that they have free plugins so thought it might be useful here.

Digital Audio Workstations (DAWs):
There are a lot of options (and even more than Wikipedia lists)! Pro Tools and Logic Pro are (to my knowledge) the biggest names, but there are a lot of good options. Some DAWs are free when you buy gear - for example, the Presonus AudioBox USB 96 comes with their Studio One Artist DAW. Posters along this page have mentioned what they use and like. Some have free trials, or stripped down versions you can try. You don't have to pay for Pro Tools to get good results!


There's plenty more I'm sure others can add!
 

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Hoping over the holiday break to finally record my blues record.. I've had it written for many, MANY years. Attempted to record it around 6 or 7 years ago, and tossed the entire thing because I hated it.

This time I'm going stripped down - basic kick (sequenced), guitar (di with software amp), and vocals. Nothing else. Basically what I'd do when I busked (although I didn't have a kick - stomped on a soda crate - plus I'll mostly use electric guitar).

Only headache is deciding the micing technique for my resonator on the (at least one) acoustic track(s). Gonna use an SM57 for that, but it also means I can't actually sing along while I play so I avoid picking up stray vox (I'm tracking em' separately - my studio space is very limiting).

I'm so used to doing richly layered work in my recordings (multiple keys, synths, guitars, percussion, etc) that it'll be nice to turn around something so simple.
 

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Only headache is deciding the micing technique for my resonator on the (at least one) acoustic track(s). Gonna use an SM57 for that, but it also means I can't actually sing along while I play so I avoid picking up stray vox (I'm tracking em' separately - my studio space is very limiting).
Is this in case you have to rerecord a section?

The mastering engineer on The Mastering Show talked about how spill isn't necessarily bad, being a form of a multimic setup (and recommended omnidirectional mics because of it). I don't have experience with this, so I'm curious what your take is.
 

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The mastering engineer on The Mastering Show talked about how spill isn't necessarily bad, being a form of a multimic setup (and recommended omnidirectional mics because of it). I don't have experience with this, so I'm curious what your take is.
Ordinarily spill isn't bad, but that's in cases where you're doing precise performances or where a certain amount of doubling is actually a good thing; I've done that with my Industrial stuff, but in the case of my blues works I prefer a little more freedom to just "feel" it as I go; While I'll maintain (for the most part) tempo discipline on the guitar, for vocals I may delay entry at a variable point for some phrases or not quite be as precise on pitch (especially with vocal bends), and want to recreate the feel of a street performance as much as possible.

I'm also a huge fan of little imperfections in recorded performances. If a recording is too perfect, it feels.. Cold. That's why I don't go too crazy on the cutting room, splicing 8 different takes to create one perfect take. I'll typically do each take twice and go with the best; I MAY re-record a single phrase if I particularly flubbed it, but otherwise.. Nope, let's do it raw.
 

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That makes sense to me. I haven't done any recording of acoustic guitar with vocals yet, so it hasn't been something I've thought about. I appreciate the explanation!

I'm also a huge fan of little imperfections in recorded performances. If a recording is too perfect, it feels.. Cold. That's why I don't go too crazy on the cutting room, splicing 8 different takes to create one perfect take. I'll typically do each take twice and go with the best; I MAY re-record a single phrase if I particularly flubbed it, but otherwise.. Nope, let's do it raw.
I wish I felt like I could do two takes and feel good about it... I'm often figuring it out while I'm recording. I'll record a part, and maybe I screwed up or I didn't like how it sounded, so I try again. But for me, recording is: get ideas down, get the general song together, then refine it. Maybe that's because I'm doing everything myself, maybe because my time is limited.

Most of my work is hand-picked MIDI notes though... I do use the humanize feature, but I think it can only go so far. I want most of what I write to have emotion, but I can't play most of the instruments I have been writing MIDI for (strings, woodwinds, brass, percussion).
 

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I wish I felt like I could do two takes and feel good about it...
To be fair, with my failing body I haven't played much in a long while, so I'll probably be doing 3-4 takes :D I've been making music for a very, VERY long time. I got started recording around 22 years ago, and have been performing as a musician for longer. And, in the case of the blues record, these songs are ones I've been playing for 10-15 years.
 
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Have you looked at GIK Acoustics?

I bought a bunch of bass traps and acoustic panels from them (GIK Room Kit 4) back in 2014 for $1200 (including shipping). Doesn't look like the price has gone up too much since then.

I sent them a plan of my office/studio space ( I happened to have a 3D model of it I'd made in Sketchup), what I wanted to do with it, and they sent me back a list of the things they thought I'd need.

Got rid of all of my echoes and harshness, well worth the money if you don't feel like DIY, especially since a corner good bass trap would be a bit of a PITA to make (a floor to ceiling wedge).

I have, along with some similar panel makers. Got some excellent quotes from a semi-local company (Acoustimac), which was relevant because I found when I emailed that shipping was a lot less than their website showed due to the short distance.

That's pretty cool they looked at your room and gave some recommendations.

Main thing is that I don't want to spend too, too much especially if it's designed particularly for this space, because we will likely be moving to a new house we are going to be (hopefully) building within a couple years. If that happens then I'll be pushing for a decent space to start from, maybe not a "studio" per se with floating floors and all that but something with good dimensions to start with at least.
 

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  • Drummic'a by Sennheiser (Free) - I downloaded it, but have yet to try it. The samples are supposedly high quality, so maybe it will be useful.
I tried to get Drummic'a to activate, no dice. It seems to have been abandoned, I can't find it on Sennheiser's website. The VST worked in Demo mode for 15 minutes. I put the old serial number I got into Native Access, and it added it, but it doesn't appear to make a difference in the Kontakt library. Too bad, the sounds were pretty good from the short time I played with it.
 

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So... I bought Komplete 14 Standard. Half off plus an extra $50 off $100 or more got me. I feel like it offers a lot for me producing music on my own, and I like the bass and guitar sounds. Since I am able to get more time to work with MIDI, I think I'm better off right now working with samplers and virtual instruments to get the music I want. It also comes with Ozone Standard, so I'll be able to use that for mastering.

I started downloading 70+ items hours ago. It's still downloading, and that's not even everything it came with! :flail:
 

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If Electric Mint is part of Standard (I went from K12 standard to K14 ultimate so I'm not sure if it came with Ultimate), try that out. It's fantastic IMO. Very inspiring to play.

There's a ton in Komplete and I'll admit I tend to overlook some of the stuff in there. Synths like Rounds, Kontour etc, they sound good and I forget about them half the time!

I never really know what to do with the expansion packs, other than get some Massive X presets from some of them (and that is a really impressive-sounding synth.)

Reaktor is a whole ecosystem, there's a lot of user-created synths and effects out there. I'm not sure how many devs are still creating for it, but there's a lot out there.

I probably wouldn't have jumped in the NI pool except for the fact that I needed Kontakt...and like buying a movie theater drink, it was a better deal to get Komplete with all the great stuff in there vs buying alone (and don't question whether you actually want a 44 oz drink!) Going to Ultimate, they got me with a few of the instruments and each step of the way I got things half off (Select, then upgrade to Standard, then upgrade to Ultimate).