Next GPU releases: 2022 edition

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    After extensive consultation with the other moderators, I have been buoyed by their vigorous ambivalence into restarting the previous thread.

    2022 looks to be a continuation of the Pandemic Era of video cards and chipsets: scarcity, astronomical prices, blatant profit taking by Nvidia and AIB partners, with AMD proudly pushing forward as the "well, ok" option. Intel's entries into the market don't look to be changing the balance in the coming year, from what I've seen.

    We'll be getting new generations of products at... the start of summer, I assume.

    What do you all think is coming this year in terms of new products and revisions? What does 2022 hold for the market?
     
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    NervousEnergy said:
    Was shocked the old thread was 8 years old. Wasted some time reading the first few pages from 2013. Back when we were bitching about $600 flagships.
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    I reread the beginning of that thread too, and it kind of breaks my heart. We were living a in different world back then. If you had told me 8 years ago that I'd be giving up FPS gaming starting in 2021, because I couldn't reasonably obtain--let alone afford--a graphics card...
     
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    grommit! said:
    Shouldn't the title be "2022 and beyond"? :p

    Anyhow, nvidia has a press conference scheduled for next week with a rumored RTX 3090 Ti announcement.

    As an aside, I am (bitterly) laughing at how poorly the premise of the "crypto collapse" thread has aged. Still think it should be in the soap box
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    AMD and Nvidia have pressers at the same time, actually, although AMD is likely to talk about Zen 4 and and the first APUs with RDNA2 graphics rather than high-end graphics. They may bring up Navi 24, the Radeon 6500 chip, however.
     
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    Elon Musk starts a new GPU company. Due to the scarce availability of chips, he instead focuses on what he calls "Remote Cloud Computing". Each computational unit is actually an Asian child laborer with an abacus, but due to the embarrassingly parallel nature of crypto-mining and sky-high prices of "traditional" GPUs, this somehow works out to be profitable anyways. He continues to cheat on his taxes by counting every "computational unit" as an "eco-friendly, biodegradable carbon-sink".
     
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    Pont said:
    Elon Musk starts a new GPU company. Due to the scarce availability of chips, he instead focuses on what he calls "Remote Cloud Computing". Each computational unit is actually an Asian child laborer with an abacus, but due to the embarrassingly parallel nature of crypto-mining and sky-high prices of "traditional" GPUs, this somehow works out to be profitable anyways. He continues to cheat on his taxes by counting every "computational unit" as an "eco-friendly, biodegradable carbon-sink".
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    WDReinhart said:
    grommit! said:
    Anyhow, nvidia has a press conference scheduled for next week with a rumored RTX 3090 Ti announcement.
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    But will it be be twice as powerful as a 3090, ten thousand times larger, and so expensive that only the five richest kings in Europe would own them?

    (oranged!)
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    To be fair there's only a worldwide market for about five computers, and it's unlikely they'll all be used for gaming mining, so that's not really an issue.

    :p

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    And it draws a hilarious 450 kilowatts.
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    FTFY

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    Big question, will 3090 Ti (and any other new releases out from nV) be mining nerfed or are they done trying?

    The Eth nerf that was ~50% hashrate to start has been bumped to ~74% as of last couple months 2021.

    So insanely elevated prices of prior full hash GPU's should abate some as miners see more value now in LHR street pricing...and as always, the threat of Eth 2.0 still exists for June 2022? Meaning there would be no difference at all between LHR and non-LHR GPU's.
     
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    rodalpho said:
    If I needed a new GPU right now I would buy a prebuilt gaming PC or laptop from Dell or HP. Only reasonably likely way to avoid paying a scalper.
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    I've done this exercise a few times over the past couple of weeks.

    Even with the inflated price of GPUs from Zotac and Newegg, you can build a better bespoke system than a pre-built for about the same amount of money.
     
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    rodalpho said:
    If I needed a new GPU right now I would buy a prebuilt gaming PC or laptop from Dell or HP. Only reasonably likely way to avoid paying a scalper.
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    If I had to buy a new computer right now, I'd either buy a gaming laptop or probably go with a builder like CyberPowerPC or iBuyPower. I've bought computers through CyberPowerPC and found their assembly markup to be not too bad if you're willing to sit on the website for a while and look through the options carefully.
     
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    rodalpho said:
    RTX3080s are still going for $1600 on eBay, and there's a deal for a pretty stacked Dell with an AIO cooled i7-12700K, 16GB RAM, etc, and a 3080 for ~$2200 today. That isn't even a great deal, but you're getting a heck of a lot of computer for ~$700.
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    You do not want that case. (Gamer's Nexus)

    I have to wonder the point of the 3090 Ti. It's going to be maybe 5% faster at best with a price increase of how much? o_O
     
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    rodalpho said:
    I just checked and the equivalent from cyberpowerPC looks to be ~$2750, which is 20% more than the Dell. Also it's DDR4 vs DDR5 on the Dell, not that it really matters. Closer to something you'd build yourself, certainly, but much more expensive.
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    Interesting. Maybe I'm a bad case example. I usually find that the pre-built Dell or whatever gaming computers have some bizarre weakness, usually the RAM. I was seeing big box stores still selling machines with 8GB RAM when I was installing 32GB in my own rig (this was circa 2018 I think). But right now I'd probably consider 32GB the minimum, and 64 would be preferable.

    Probably that's more than most gamers need? But gaming isn't my only use case because I also do video editing stuff, and lots of RAM can make life quite a bit easier.
     
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    STR3T said:
    Big question, will 3090 Ti (and any other new releases out from nV) be mining nerfed or are they done trying?

    The Eth nerf that was ~50% hashrate to start has been bumped to ~74% as of last couple months 2021.

    So insanely elevated prices of prior full hash GPU's should abate some as miners see more value now in LHR street pricing...and as always, the threat of Eth 2.0 still exists for June 2022? Meaning there would be no difference at all between LHR and non-LHR GPU's.
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    There's a new leak about flashing 3080 Ti to 3090 BIOS gets you 110mh/s, 10% higher than the 3080.

    That should increase the value tremendously of the 3080 Ti. A 3090 is only capable of 120mh/s after doing a pad mod, and in theory the 3090 Ti will do ~130mh/s but who knows how monstrous the msrp is going to be on that one lmao.
     
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    Different case, although its ventilation doesn't look likely to get approved by Steve's monotone either.
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    I have that case:

    It's really identical to the alienware case except more convenient in that it has less plastic covering it (which gives you space for the DVD burner), leading to easier access and less wasted space. The Alienware one might be more acceptable with an AIO though.

    Many of the Gamer's Nexus complaints are fair: yes, you're getting proprietary parts with the powersupply (which they still rate as one of the most efficient they've ever seen!) and the cooling solutions are bad and a fair pain to mess with.

    OTOH, some of the complaints have more to do with convention: is it horrifying that the front of the motherboard juts out through the case, where you plug USB devices into it? Yes. But then again, that's a convention, no one acts horrified when you plug stuff into the back of a motherboard which also lies flush with the back of the case. Once you get over that, it's still a budget concession, but it's not something that will instinctively horrify you like it did to Gamer's Nexus. It might be "ick" but it's not a rational ick, imho.

    Then there's the fact that the cooler is bolted directly into the case. Are there problems that can go wrong with that? Sure. Are there potential benefits, too? Maybe. Not having to install a bracket on the far side of the motherboard while having a very rigid mounting spot is something that could be taken advantage of.

    Given that people are 3D printing fan brackets for both the front and back of these things and the $40 official "Dell Giant Heatsink" is now ebaying for $100 something, if someone came out with an official kit for refurbing the basic Dell case with the appropriate bolts (so you don't have to cut the heads off of them), they'd probably make a mint. I've decided to not mess with mine until the warranty is almost up because reading 87 pages of forum threads on people debating about which HSFs have the best clearance / ease of mounting gave me a head ache given the conflicting information.

    The thing about my Dell that bugs me the most is the very limited memory configurations. Most of the boards won't let you mix/match sizes and things can still go wrong even if you buy the rec'd stuff from Crucial. Having to throw out your first 16GB of ram to go to 32gb is annoying to say the least.
     
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    IceStorm said:
    rodalpho said:
    If I needed a new GPU right now I would buy a prebuilt gaming PC or laptop from Dell or HP. Only reasonably likely way to avoid paying a scalper.
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    I've done this exercise a few times over the past couple of weeks.

    Even with the inflated price of GPUs from Zotac and Newegg, you can build a better bespoke system than a pre-built for about the same amount of money.
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    Yep. Early on buying a prebuilt was a good way to get a GPU, before they caught on and before the bureaucracy adjusted, but these days while they may have the GPU line item at "MSRP", they are going to overcharge the hell out of everything else and use the cheapest parts they can get. Basically none of the gaming prebuilts the big YouTubers have reviewed over the last year have been anything but a disaster.
     
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    OTOH, some of the complaints have more to do with convention: is it horrifying that the front of the motherboard juts out through the case, where you plug USB devices into it? Yes. But then again, that's a convention, no one acts horrified when you plug stuff into the back of a motherboard which also lies flush with the back of the case. Once you get over that, it's still a budget concession, but it's not something that will instinctively horrify you like it did to Gamer's Nexus. It might be "ick" but it's not a rational ick, imho.
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    It's terrible not because the ports are on the front, but because it means that MB is utterly useless outside that case. Basically every motherboard I have had in a computer for the last 25 years has had some kind of life after it was replaced, but that's just not possible with the proprietary non-standard boards in the Dells. We have motherboard standards for a reason, and they aren't actually saving any appreciable money by not following them, they are just trying to make it hard to repair and upgrade.
     
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    My 1080Ti is still a champ, but I'm interested in seeing where iGPUs go this year. We're getting to a point where Intel iGPUs can run many things pretty well in a pinch, and perhaps AMD's next effort will allow them to catch up with less throttling.

    'course, I'm leaning towards picking up a 2020 laptop at firesale prices, anyways. Unless the new chips are worlds better on power or iGPU.
     
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    IIRC it's smelling like 2022's iGPUs will top out about 96EU's like last last year's Tiger Lake did. LPDRR4X-4266 or whatnot in laptops is about as fast as memory will get but maybe we'll see a bump to LPDDR5-6400 this year with Alder Lake laptops?

    I'm fuzzier on AMD's side but unfortunately that's probably for good reason. :/

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    Hmm, maybe a bit more performance than I was expecting, but 2x of current iGPUs may or may not be significant to you? I know to me it probably is still a bit short...
     
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    U-99 said:
    My 1080Ti is still a champ, but I'm interested in seeing where iGPUs go this year. We're getting to a point where Intel iGPUs can run many things pretty well in a pinch, and perhaps AMD's next effort will allow them to catch up with less throttling.
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    Wasn’t sure if this was the thread for it, but…

    “Rembrandt”, the next AMD APU, looks to have 12CUs of RDNA graphics, up from 8 CUs of Vega in the current chips. It should support DDR5 and have up to 20 lanes of PCIe 4.0 (I am personally very doubtful about that part, but I’m repeating the rumors). CPU cores are unchanged, still 8 cores of Zen 3 with 16MB L3.
     
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    U-99 said:
    My 1080Ti is still a champ
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    Same here. I'm basically looking for at least a 50% performance uplift in a GPU upgrade, and from what I can tell I need 3080 or a 6800XT to achieve that. I can't justify paying £1300+ for that, so I'm taking advantage of the PC having such a wide indie dev scene and huge back catalogue.

    (I'm mostly posting to orange this thread so I can find out about the GPUs I'll be buying used for £900 in 2027 :scared: o_O :D )
     
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